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The Art of Mass Deception – Part 1 Ballistic Analysis of DWH & Riser wreck.

Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:26 PM EDT
environment, gulf-of-mexico, noaa, bp-oil-spill, blowout, corexit, gom, bk-lim, geohazards, mega-disaster, macondo-a, matt-simmons, zombie-well, fintan-dunne
By BK Lim

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Coincidence is the word we often use when we want to hide the truth. The oil spill disaster has more than its fair share of coincidences. Matt Simmons’s death 4 days ago, is a great loss to all of us seeking the truth. In one of his final interviews, Matt Simmons said, “It was painful as can be… to be the only person in the industry that was willing to speak out.” This article is dedicated to him, all those (animals included) killed and those continuing to suffer from this mega disaster.

Despite BP’s numerous delay tactics, improprieties, inconsistencies and contradictions; the mainstream media, BP’s paid Bogus Press and “Oilmen Expert” bloggers never commented on the obvious flaws in BP’s rendition of the mega disaster. But the same Devil’s Advocates were so quick to bark and maul on articles or postings that disputed BP’s version of events. It was painful indeed to read these biased blogs hammering and mauling Matt Simmons’s character, professionalism and sanity, just because he had disputed BP’s claims and version of events. Many of Matt Simmons’s accounts have since been vindicated by recent whistleblowers’ accounts, evidence of previously undetected oil spill and gas seeps, and health hazards due to extensive usage of Corexit.

BP’s attempts to spin the disaster into an art form through the mass media and paid advertisement are all part of BP’s Charade. The failing Static Kill on the “wrongly” capped well (Macondo A) is just one of the “broken steps”. The return of BP Zombie Well by Fintan Dunne aptly described the multiple failures in trying to kill the wild well. Is there more to it? Did BP drill one or two wells? Apparently the wells were drilled outside their approved period of exploration. Despite what it seems Well B was not drilled at its proposed location. Instead after plugging well A, DWH drilled on an unreported location which blew on 20th April 2010. Were regulations contravened?

This article is the first of several series which will present evidence of mass deception for public discussion. Without doubt, underhand tactics and adulterated data would be used to discredit me and my articles as they had done to Matt Simmons. Bloggers would be employed to disseminate distorted facts and to confuse the general public, under the guise of technical discussions. Do not be intimidated by technical jargons meant to confuse, for the truth is always simple and logical. Judge what I have presented here for its true academic values and not from any political or vested perspective. There are no hidden motives in my series of articles other than to educate, disseminate the truth and point out the obvious flaws in the accounts of the disaster. My expertise in the field of geohazards geophysics is given here on a pro-bono basis as part of my contribution to speak up for Mother Earth so that we need not live in constant fear of another mega man-made disaster.

1 Was the wrong well capped?
As the list of things that do not add up, continues to grow longer and longer, it is becoming more obvious the cover-ups are as elaborate and extensive as the disaster itself. One has to wonder why would there be a need for such a colossal cover-up. The truth then must be more devastating than the disaster itself. It is always easier to tell the truth as the truth will not contradict any facts that are revealed over time. The bigger the lie the more elaborate is the effort needed to cover it. But all deception no matter how perfectly planned cannot cover all tracks. After all, Man proposes but God Disposes.

The starting point of contention has to be Well A (E 1,202,803.88, N 10,431,617.00) which was supposed to be the seabed location drilled when the disastrous blowout occurred on 20th April 2010. Is it a mere coincidence Well A is located outside the blowout circle drawn to connect the major debris from DWH? The source of any unconstrained explosion will always lie close to the “epicenter” of the blowout. While it is possible to have a skewed ellipsoid (as in explosions from directional charges), the debris field will be similarly skewed and not be a symmetrical circle. See figure 1 of DWH blowout CSI which was reproduced from the Macondo ROV Map Ver 1.0 compiled by Fintan Dunne on 9th Aug 2010. Tuttlet must be commended for compiling the original map showing the ROVs’ position in early August.

It is only logical that DWH would be drilling directly above the well’s seabed location within tolerance limits of a couple of percentage error. DWH being the “state of the art” drilling rig, was definitely capable of maintaining dynamic position accurate to 50ft or 1% of water depth. For all practical purposes, 3% or 150 ft would be the position tolerance limit at that depth. It is therefore intriguing that Well A should be more than 520ft SSE of DWH’s surface location. If this was true, then DWH was drilling with the riser string at an angle of almost 6º. Given the dynamic positioning capability of DWH, there should be no reason for DWH’s surface location to be so far away from well A; if indeed the seabed location was Well A when the blowout occurred on 20th April 2010.

2 Did Well A blow out on 20th April 2010?
BP in their press conferences gave the impression that the riser string was largely intact and still connected to the BOP on top of Well A’s well-head, albeit badly twisted and bent. The figures at 7a to 7e (DWH blowout CSI) by Al Jazeera illustrate the simplistic but illogical rendition of how DWH could have sunk to the present wreck position on the seabed with 3 leaks on the punctured riser.

Doubts that the capped well (Well A) may not be the actual well that blew on 20th April, is further fueled by the early video footage available to public in May. The videos showed oil gushing out of a partially buried, severed casing with several broken debris obviously associated with a catastrophic event. The oil gush seems to be flowing out of a sub-horizontal pipe (casing?) which apparently dips into the seabed within an “unnatural” seabed crater. This location referred to as S20BC, is approximately (estimated from the scatter plots of ROV coordinates) 720 ft NNW of Well A and just 120ft NW of DWH’s surface location. The water depth of 4960-4970 ft is consistent with the depth shown on the bathymetric chart. Figure 3 shows the charted location of these images presented in figures 3a -3d. Water depth at Well A is generally more than 4990 ft.

This is strange as in all past blowout investigations, the primary focus of attention should be the blown-out well (Well A?) and not any one of the three “secondary leaks” on the riser. Why the intense activities focusing on S20BC (supposedly the most serious of the 3 leaks on the riser) instead of Well A? Does action speak louder than words? Could S20BC be the real blowout well but misled as just a “secondary” leak on the riser? Another piece of Mass Deception?

Video footage of the faulty BOP on top of Well A was only widely available to the public from June onwards. In a video dated 4 June 2010, an apparent “Dispersant Ops” Rov showed the BOP at 61.8 ft above seabed level, at 221.5 ft WNW of Well A location. Figure 3d confirmed our suspicion that the BOP had been “busily travelling” around instead of being Static at Well A as we had been led to believe.

Stranger still, why does the partially buried, severed casing (at S20BC) with gushing oil and gas appear to resemble more of a broken well-head casing than a twisted or flattened riser? Why would the ROV video show the oil to be flowing from north to south? If the oil and gas were to flow from Well A to S20BC in the north through the “riser”, the flow direction should be south to north. This confirms that Well A could not be the source of the leaking oil and gas.

It was crucial to keep this key discrepancy secret initially to avoid adulteration of the ROV data. As expected, the recent video footage appears to have unreliable coordinates or had missing information; eg sudden jumps of several hundred feet in ROV position. While “jumps” in navigation or position can be due to a variety of instrumental errors or data lapses, it is more difficult to explain jumps that seem to converge to Well A location. Is this another evidence of “tampering with the data”?

3 The mystery of the Twisted Riser wreck standing 1500 ft above seabed
Figure 2 (DWH blowout CSI) illustrates that it would not be possible for the DWH wreck to have landed just 1,100 ft from Well A if the riser string was largely intact with the base attached to the BOP (BP’s official version).

Even if the riser string were to detach from DWH as it was sinking, the wrecks (both DWH and riser) would continue their motion northwards. By the time the riser string had tilted to 12.5º from the vertical, the burning DWH would be already 1082 ft from Well A and it would have sunk by 118 ft. It is also possible that DWH could have fallen apart much earlier at 6º tilt angle. In which case, the centre of the fallout circle would be very close to the observed surface location of DWH but the WDH wreck would have to sink by 27 ft. Thus while the WDH wreck could still land at the observed seabed location, the unbroken long riser string would not be so twisted and definitely not bent backwards at such an acute angle. It is only logical for a free-falling rigid string (anchored at the base to the BOP) to fall straight through the water column; thus ruling out such pronounced bending.

It is almost impossible to explain how the riser could have bent backwards at such an acute angle and landed at a standing position 1500 ft above the seabed, with the lower end of the riser still attached to the BOP. Either the mainstream media were totally misled or NOAA debris chart as shown in figure 2a is totally inaccurate. Surely the Press could not have been so meek, not to question the improbability of the twisted riser standing 1500 ft above the seafloor without breaking. Obviously BP was given a lot of leeway to cover its own charade with a “No Tough Questions” policy. This is BP’s Art of Mass Deception in action.

Even if the burning DWH had sunk with the riser string broken at the lower section, the swing momentum of any inclined rigid steel string would have propelled DWH towards its anchor point. NOAA debris chart is the documented evidence of physical laws governing the dynamics of DWH sinking. There is no way DWH’s wreck could have landed at its present seabed location 720ft away if DWH’s riser (steel) string was anchored to Well A.

The most likely anchor location of DWH’s riser string is S20BC. Figures 8a-8h show the likely sequence in the sinking of DWH following the blowout on 20th April 2010. The blowout was so powerful its upward thrust probably broke the lower 1/5 of the riser. The BOP with the broken riser tilted and fell to the seafloor bending the upper section of the well casing. Whether the BOP was later cut and removed from the well-head or whether it broke off from the well-head by the blowout, is open to question? This can be confirmed by unadulterated ROV operation reports.

BP probably removed the BOP with the bent riser and installed it on Well A several weeks after the 20th April blowout. It was only after the BOP installation on Well A, were video footage of the leaking BOP released for public consumption. Irrespective of the BOP’s “travel paths or transit points”, Well A could not have been the well location drilled by DWH when the 20th April blowout occurred. Period!

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nyghtshayde

Another great article BK Lim.Clipped to several groups.The truth is trying to come to the surface with the oil.All we can do is to keep putting the information out there.Thanks for another great article.

  • 12 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:15 PM EDT
Rainbow Warrior

Posting because I hope some of my friends will read this... and vote it up!

  • 13 votes
#1.1 - Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:22 PM EDT
BK Lim

Thanks Rainbow Warrior.

  • 9 votes
#1.2 - Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:39 PM EDT
TR-421173

Indeed RW, I was just explaining the same thing on one of Nyghtshaydes articles. The article has all the information covered. I just wanted to make some comment to let 'em know that they were being read, to vote it up & mark it in hopes that other friends of mine will see & read it also. Great minds & all that. Rock on BK Lim, eventually people won't be able to ignore what is happening. The devastation continues to spread & as more facts are brought to light, more people will have to see what is going on.

  • 10 votes
#1.3 - Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:03 PM EDT
BK Lim

Right on TR

  • 8 votes
#1.4 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:13 AM EDT
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BK Lim

Thanks Nyghtshayde. Sadly that's all we can do. For the time being...

  • 10 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:19 PM EDT
nyghtshayde

BK

I have also posted the link in a couple of my current articles.Please feel free to do the same in any of my articles.

  • 10 votes
#2.1 - Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:25 PM EDT
freebirdreaming

BK........... it more then 'that's all we can do', and it pisses me off when you talk like that.

now....... do what you do! you do it so well.

  • 10 votes
#2.2 - Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:09 PM EDT
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sctodd

BK, You are doing us all a great favor. Thank you for all of your hard work.

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Reply#3 - Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:22 PM EDT
BK Lim

No problem Sctodd. Need to get it off my chest. Can't bear to see all those dying animals. The initial response was right - to contain and suck out as much oil as possible because there is simply no way to block of the flow; it is like trying to kill the Greek mythical multi-headed snake -Hydra. As soon as you chop of one, a new head grows out of it.

How to kill a zombie well with the power of a Hydra?

  • 10 votes
#3.1 - Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:49 PM EDT
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Briwnys

It is almost impossible to explain how the riser could have bent backwards at such an acute angle and landed at a standing position 1500 ft above the seabed, with the lower end of the riser still attached to the BOP. Either the mainstream media were totally misled or NOAA debris chart as shown in figure 2a is totally inaccurate. Surely the Press could not have been so meek, not to question the improbability of the twisted riser standing 1500 ft above the seafloor without breaking. Obviously BP was given a lot of leeway to cover its own charade with a "No Tough Questions" policy. This is BP's Art of Mass Deception in action.

That one paragraph alone is definitive of the whole problem. Masterful analysis, BK! Thanks!

  • 9 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:46 PM EDT
BK Lim

Anyone would misbehave if given a blank cheque. Instead of sincerely tackling the problem, BP prefer to make it into a Grand PR exercise. Being trying to get hold of the video BP made - something like ...symphony on ocean ... saw it on Rachel Maddow show?

  • 10 votes
#4.1 - Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:00 PM EDT
Briwnys

Is this what you're looking for?

Be sure to watch the reprise at the bottom of the page, too.

  • 6 votes
#4.2 - Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:27 PM EDT
BK Lim

Yep that the one. It's ballet at sea, not symphony.. mind silly me. Thanks

  • 8 votes
#4.3 - Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:50 PM EDT
Briwnys

Funny, ironic and sickening at the same time, isn't it?

  • 8 votes
#4.4 - Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:08 PM EDT
nyghtshayde

Well folks,I got to see the new oil geyser at the bottom of the Gulf today.I just happened to switch to one of the live feeds in time to see the cam raising up.There was an unmistakable oil geyser coming from the sea floor.It was not around the BOP and no equipment was visible.The instant the cam hit the view it immediately pointed back at the bottom and since has been turned to the side ,so we can't see it.There were thick clouds of hydrates and oil on another cam also.It is nowhere near the size of what we had seen before,but it was very significant.

Right now on Ocean Intervention III ROV 1,you can see a cloud in the distance that is the area it is in.There were clouds coming by that ROV,when I first went on When I switched to Intervention ROV 2 they started pulling it to the surface.When it lifted up in the current it began rotating,boy what a view I got of the mess.There was debris and hydrates everywhere.I then switched to HOS Super H ROV 1 and it was just starting to raise the cam and there it was in all it's glory.Immediately the cam pointed down.

HOS Super H ROV 1 and Ocean InterventionIII ROV 1 are the two that have the clouds barely visable at this time.

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#4.5 - Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:56 PM EDT
BK Lim

Right now on Ocean Intervention III ROV 1,you can see a cloud in the distance that is the area it is in.There were clouds coming by that ROV,when I first went on When I switched to Intervention ROV 2 they started pulling it to the surface.When it lifted up in the current it began rotating,boy what a view I got of the mess.There was debris and hydrates everywhere.I then switched to HOS Super H ROV 1 and it was just starting to raise the cam and there it was in all it's glory.Immediately the cam pointed down.

HOS Super H ROV 1 and Ocean InterventionIII ROV 1 are the two that have the clouds barely visable at this time.

Ocean Intervention III is close by S20BC location. Can't find where HOS is.

There are 3 phases to the seeps in clayey seabed outside the main blowout area. First with natural sediment strata undisturbed, the gas accumulates in a sandy sub-strata beneath the stiff Clay layer (there is always a superficial layer of soft clay at seabed since any clay in contact with water will deteriorate by water absorption - will publish a lot more on this later). The accumulation builds up (either in volume or pressure or both) until it exceed the confining pressure. The gas expulsion phase is subject to the nature of the overlying clay layer. In relatively uniform, thin and soft, there is less need to build up pressure and volume. The results of the gas expulsion, is seen as uniform circular depressions (called pockmarks) ranging from 5 m to more than 20 m in diameters. If the superficial layer is thick and stiff, the gas accumulates into a bigger bubble and finally "explodes" resulting in a crater >10m to as big as several hundred metres.

Only on very rare occasions would the actual gas expulsion be caught on camera. Most of the time, you see the only the expulsion seabed features.

In the 2nd phase, more gas continue to stream out of the disturbed sediment or craters; continuously since the original horizontal structure of the sediment is already destroyed and does not cap the gas accumulation as one cohesive layer. This is where you see tiny bubbles of gas streaming out of the seafloor - the intensity depends on the continuing supply of gas and the composition of the "retaining layer". As the gas emission continues, the clay particles in the retaining layer get depleted over time. As the "retaining layer" gets more sandy, the gas emission increases into a more constant and evenly distributed stream - subject of course to continuing gas supply from beneath.

Eventually some sections of the retaining layer become so sandy and permeable, gas streams out at places with the least resistance.The "retaining layer" has lost its uniformity as the gas seeps preferentially through these porous channels. This the stage you start to see "tornado-like" gas plumes (again subject to sufficient continuous supply of gas); ranging from ghostly swirling vortex to vertical gas columns. I have seen columns as high as 80 m above the seabed but you need to have a permeable weak zone or faults coming very close to seabed to see such voluminous display.

In many ROV videos I have seen, the heaving or swell of the seafloor followed by the burst of gas into the water column (clouds of particles) and followed by visible settlement of the particles - could only mean that substantial drilling mud has already covered the area. Natural clay once dispersed into the water column do not settle down so quickly to be visible to the eye. They would remain suspended and settle slowly in calm quiet water - something to do with the lattice (molecular) clay structure being sandwiched with hydroxyl ions (don't to go into too much details). Basically the clay particles float in suspension. The particles you see settling down are mainly heavy drilling mud. Once you have a sufficiently thick layer of predominantly drilling mud, the gas accumulation goes back to phase 1. The settling drilling mud covers evenly over the area. The "retaining drilling mud layer" is now much heavier and act like a cohesive layer. The gas bubble now needs to be bigger with higher pressure to break thru. Thus you see the swelling of the seafloor in real time. Natural swelling in natural sediment takes a long time which you will never see in ROV camera; definitely not within minutes. The frequency and extent of the swelling bubble can give us an indication of the thickness of the drilling mud and the amount of gas being released.

All these talks of the gas release being a natural process is hogwash - just BP's paid experts fanatically trying to stem out the rising tide of common-sense. The truth is simple and logical. There is no need to hide and put down genuine concerns on this Oil Spill Disaster with technical profanities as I have seen in some blogs bent on unabashedly supporting unethical improprieties by you know who.

Thanks for posting your observation, nyghtshayde. We can all learn from this.

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#4.6 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:38 AM EDT
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Danese

absolutely. Thats right. Neptune

  • 8 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:06 PM EDT
Danese

We need a scientolgist.

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#5.1 - Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:07 PM EDT
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chicagoite

What is going on with S20BC? It's still flowing? Is that the reason behind the official spin on the capped well? If indeed it is still flowing, and the casing is blown, how to stop it? With a nuke as Matt Simmons stated? Is BP still dumping dispersants on the flowing oil to keep it from surfacing? Simmons also stated shortly before his death there is a 500' thick, 120 mile lakeon the seabed....

The truth must indeed be much worse than what is being officially reported!

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Reply#6 - Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:52 PM EDT
freebirdreaming

the next question you may want to ask yourself....... did Mr. simmons have a weak heart?

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#6.1 - Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:59 PM EDT
chicagoite

The autopsy stated he drowned with heart disease complications.

After I read that, and the chances of drowning in a hot tub unless you are absolutely @!$%#faced are nearly zero, I realized what Simmons stated was very close to the truth, if not the truth itself.

  • 8 votes
#6.2 - Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:23 PM EDT
freebirdreaming

in our current environment.......... i imagine many are grabbing themselves and staying away from controversial sh*t.

chickenhearts gone is a good thing.

now, show me the way toward the crowd with balls.

:) and i'm there.

  • 8 votes
#6.3 - Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:42 PM EDT
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Danese

What's the best thing that i can do for the birds...like what kind of bird food is best for them? What about flax seed is that ok to give them? Because they are working hard. I notice and they are undernourished in my area. People keep feeding them bread and chicken. Any suggestions?

  • 7 votes
Reply#7 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:46 AM EDT
FintanDunne

Note: As a new user I cant post full hyperlinks,
so readers have to add the h t t p / / in front.

Allow me to make a few observations:

1) You wrote above:

"It is therefore intriguing that Well A should be more than 520ft SSE of DWH's surface location."

Have you compared your figure of 520ft NNW of Well A with the official position of the DWH rig? Is it different than the official position, or is the official position of DWH in NOAA, or Congressional reports assumed to be the position of well A? It's one of the strongest points you make yet you only assert it without laying any foundation.

2) You wrote in a graphic from a previous article:

"The bottom 1/5th of the riser broke off due to the vertical thrust of the blowout leaving 4/5ths dangling from DWH"

Figure 8:
polls.newsvine.com/_vine/images/users/660/bklim/4893038.jpg
bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2010/08/14/4884549-dwh-blowout-csi-why-it-could-not-have-happened-as-reported-by-bp-

That's impossible.
See this 35 seconds into this video for proof:

Video of BP Oil Blaze, Rig sinking into Gulf of Mexico
youtube.com/watch?v=sA6Fx7ZEST0

We see the DWH burning ferociously in a tight pool of oil which only surrounds the rig, and leaves nearby ships untouched. It's widely accepted that the diesel aboard the rig is insufficient to sustain the intensity and duration of the fire.

So where did the oil to fuel this fire come from?

Answer: Up the Riser. Which remained intact up until the rig sank.

Therefore the BOP did not explode off the hole as you concluded.

Some might wonder if the oil simply rose up to through the water to the surface, but the oil would spread on the way up and would have created a couple of square miles of burning oil. No, it was a tight oil circle around the rig -which came from the intact riser smack in the middle of the rig.

3) In more graphics from another previous article:

bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2010/07/30/4781973-why-is-bps-macondo-blowout-so-disastrous-beyond-patch-up-

You show the BP well on a steep slope of a salt dome.

Yet in this article you show the rig 520 feet from well A and thus nowhere near a steep salt dome flank:
bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2010/08/14/4884549-dwh-blowout-csi-why-it-could-not-have-happened-as-reported-by-bp-

Whether the well was at Well A location or 520ft NNW , inneither case is it anywhere near a steep salt dome flank. Those locations are in a valley between domes, are they not?

But in this article:
bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2010/07/30/4781973-why-is-bps-macondo-blowout-so-disastrous-beyond-patch-up-

You Say:

The present qualitative geological model can be converted to a quantitative one when sufficient quantitative data is available. For now this qualitative model is sufficient for us to understand how the blowout occurred....

....Thus, while a salt dome is selected for the model, any vertical geological structure like an intrusive dyke or a vertically inclined fault zone (lateral fault), would essentially produce the same effects.

Isn't it stretching it to do a detailed analysis about the problems of the well being near a known massive and deep salt dome, and at the same time say it's near well A and the problems are caused by an unknown and unproven fault zone?

4) There were a number of criticisms of your thesis posted on TheOilDrum website by Art Berman and others. Berman is a "geological consultant whose specialties are subsurface petroleum geology, seismic interpretation, and database design and management. He has been interviewed on CNN and BNN about the Deepwater Horizon disaster."

Berman is a peer of yours and these criticisms were made three weeks ago and remain unanswered as far as I can see:

1. Salt domes don't look like the diagrams that Lim shows. These are antiquated representations based on models developed before high-quality revealed that most domes are tear-drop features that are severed from their roots. The idea that multiple vertically stacked reservoirs can communicate along the flank of a vertical salt feature is not supported by modern data. Reservoirs are separated by sealing shales.

2. Lim's thesis is that any salt dome flank well is effectively doomed from the outset because of pressure communication. Thousands of wells have been drilled on salt dome flanks in the onshore and offshore Gulf Coast over the past 80-90 years that do not support this assumption.

3. Lim's models assume reservoir beds that dip steeply against salt--we don't that this is the case in Macondo and, in fact, I doubt it. It is more likely that the Macondo prospect was based on a sub-salt anticlinal structure in which dip rates are more modest that Lim presents. In his scenario, it is buoyancy that creates the possibility of pressures at or near the frac gradient from below in any given bed against the salt, and not pressure communication downward from the salt.

4. Lim's model assumes that oil and gas can pass freely across thick sealing shales (along faults) to the sea floor once the Macondo sealing cap was put in place. Faults or not, this is an unlikely geological model. It further assumes a limitless supply of pressure in the reservoir--far greater than the actual pressures measured at shut-in or assumed from mud weights while drilling. It also assumes that the seeps did not exist prior to the Macondo well--clearly false.
theoildrum.com/node/6798#comment-691931

It appears that BK Lim has the correct position for the Macondo location relative to Google maps image on Fig 2 and Fig 5, but he has scaled the BP EP filing contour map incorrectly (it's way too big), and that's why it appears the contours don't match the Google maps image. That's Mickey's right ear southeast of the wellsite.
theoildrum.com/node/6798#comment-691485

The well site is in that big (~10 mi) gap NW of Mickey's right ear in between the large salt bodies. There is no salt near the seafloor at the location (cf. seismic posted on the house commerce committee website), Yeah, I know that's a 2D cut, but same is true in 3D - the Macondo structure is a low relief anticline, possibly cored by deep autochthonous salt or possibly a turtle structure (don't remember offhand, I could find out, but don't really think it's that important in any case).
theoildrum.com/node/6798#comment-691451

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Reply#8 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:09 AM EDT
BK Lim

Yes I know, the last few articles were supposed to be thought provoking. It may seem impossible plus the fact that I had intentionally left many technical gaps in all my postings since July 2010. I had expected most all these to surface and my answers can actually be found hidden in my previous articles and comments. I would like to integrate all these into one article titled "And they thought It was checkmate".

This was what I wrote:

This article is the first of several series which will present evidence of mass deception for public discussion. Without doubt, underhand tactics and adulterated data would be used to discredit me and my articles as they had done to Matt Simmons. Bloggers would be employed to disseminate distorted facts and to confuse the general public, under the guise of technical discussions. Do not be intimidated by technical jargons meant to confuse, for the truth is always simple and logical.

It is always easier to tell the truth as the truth will not contradict any facts that are revealed over time.

My answers are rather long and complicated, needing diagrams to illustrate. Otherwise it may be misconstrued and misinterpreted. Would appreciate if all the questions and doubts in all my previous articles can be emailed or commented here for me to answer in the coming article. "Bring them on" as you Americans will say.

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#8.1 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:20 PM EDT
Danese

Very well said. You are brilliant. I give you a thumbs up and a smiley face 100%

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#8.2 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:29 PM EDT
BK Lim

The well site is in that big (~10 mi) gap NW of Mickey's right ear in between the large salt bodies. There is no salt near the seafloor at the location (cf. seismic posted on the house commerce committee website), Yeah, I know that's a 2D cut, but same is true in 3D - the Macondo structure is a low relief anticline, possibly cored by deep autochthonous salt or possibly a turtle structure (don't remember offhand, I could find out, but don't really think it's that important in any case).

Fintan, can you get Berman to elaborate on the above. Thanks

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#8.3 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:31 PM EDT
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FintanDunne

I'm not impressed with your assertion that anyone who dares to critique you is part of a discreditation conspiracy. Are you infallible? Or like the rest of us, do you make mistakes?

I'm not impressed with your attempting to ride on the coat-tails of the recently deceased Matt Simmons.

I'm not impressed by this convoluted idea that you state:

"I had intentionally left many technical gaps in all my postings since July 2010. I had expected most all these to surface and my answers can actually be found hidden in my previous articles and comments."

I and others read your articles assuming you were acting in good faith; being up front; and stating clearly without artifice what you believed based on your professional experience. Now I find that either you are wriggling out of errors or claiming to be playing silly mind games.

You said yourself above:

"It is always easier to tell the truth as the truth
will not contradict any facts that are revealed over time."

Pity you didn't take your own advice.

The points raised in my post above are a catalog of what I can only assume are errors, as you have failed to address them. I will not be asking Mr. Berman to elaborate on anything, as I think you have just discredited yourself beyond redemption and checkmated yourself.

Your actions have damaged the cause of legitimate questioning of BP's actions. Let others draw conclusions from that.

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Reply#9 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:45 PM EDT
freebirdreaming

you have bad manners for a newbie......... or did yo come in with the express intent to do some discreditign of your own?

for new........ you choose the first discussion quite by accident?

you came with intentions of your own.

prove yourself punk

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#9.1 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:49 PM EDT
Briwnys

freebirdreaming, FintanDunne is a very well respected blogger with impeccable references; I first started following him during the Iran Uprising. He may be a newbie here, but I, for one, am honored he's joined Newsvine and quite possibly did so to interact with people who are concerned with this specific topic, so I'm not surprised his first posts are on this subject.

Welcome Fintan!!!

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#9.2 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:56 PM EDT
freebirdreaming

in that case, ............. of course........... beat the snot out of BK?

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#9.3 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:12 PM EDT
BK Lim

i'm not impressed with your assertion that anyone who dares to critique you is part of a discreditation conspiracy. Are you infallible? Or like the rest of us, do you make mistakes?

Fintan Dunne, please be patient for my answers. I did not say I am infallible and I do made mistakes as do all of us. Please do not jump to conclusion. As I said I have (personal) reasons to delay the answers. When you see my answers in my posting later you will understand. I think you know who my detractors are. So why are you so quick to lose faith in my articles and what I stand for.

I think you have grossly misinterpreted my intentions and my reply to you. Even if I cannot answer (which is not the case) you should not be so rude with your condemnation. I will let the readers judge for themselves.

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#9.4 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:18 PM EDT
Briwnys

No, I don't think that is his purpose. I do think he is trying to clarify points in BK's theory, though. You might read his Return Of The BP Zombie Well seeded by Nyghtshayde to get his take on the situation.

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#9.5 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:22 PM EDT
nyghtshayde

Let's not make any rash jugements at this time,there are far too many things involved.One thing I can say is,we all are seeking the truth,but some of us must take different paths to arrive there.

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#9.6 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:29 PM EDT
Danese

That's true nyghtshayde

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#9.7 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:34 PM EDT
freebirdreaming

there is an old saying........... when a new dog hits the block he tends to piss on the biggest tree:)

you mighty big tree in my book BK.

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#9.8 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:39 PM EDT
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FintanDunne

Let me make it clear that I have circulated BK's articles, and was criticized for do so on 'TheOilDrum' website. I did that because his was a professional opinion, well constructed, and because non-mainstream views deserve a hearing.

But I'm also a hard-nosed journalist. And my job is to put hard questions.

The above questions are not trivial and the public deserve straight answers.

As BK said: "the truth is always simple and logical."

So, when I get a runaround and talk of 'hidden answers' in response to simple and logical questions, that's a red flag. This is not a game. It's a serious business with livelihoods and lives in the balance. I've drawn conclusions from what's just happened, that's all.

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Reply#10 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:04 PM EDT
BK Lim

Every questions posted on my newsvine blog had been answered in details as far as I can remember. However, I cannot track and answer questions posted on other blogs. Short and quick answers to questions on a complicated matter such as a blowout do no justice and can easily be misconstrued. This article is specially written to address some of the serious questions posted on other blogs that had recently been brought to my attention and posted on my blog on 18 Aug 2010.

Please do not get the impression that I am about to abandon my theory and make a 180 degrees turn. Thanks for defending my articles and I am not about to let my Supporters down. Many of the answers had been emailed privately until I have time to verify them. I think I might have missed you out (so sorry). To keep the articles short some technical details had to be left out to be filled in later postings.

If you read my posting on the blowout carefully, I did mention that the initial influx that caused the blowout was from the extended gas charged pressure (EGCP) zone and not from the bottom of the well as most had thought so. Haliburton would be pleased to know that their cement plug did not fail immediately. There were many technical gaps I had to leave out (for various reasons) until I can find the conclusive evidence. DWH burnt for 2 days fed by gas and oil flowing from the shallow part of the aquifer. I need to explain this in more details with diagrams in coming article (soon).

As soon as the pressure in the well dipped below the EGCP (replacing the drilling mud with seawater) gas influx kicked in at the largely unsealed well bore at the GSWF zone. When the gas bubble in the well started to rise and expand with lower pressure, it rapidly displaced the seawater column (>5,000 ft) in the riser. This is like sucking liquid out of a glass with a straw.

There must be a second and more powerful explosion when the cement plug at the well bottom breached. The gas and oil from the reservoir at a much higher pressure, exerted more tremendous force; most probably thrust up the drill string and BOP, breaking the lower 1/5 (just an estimate) of the riser. So you see this is still consistent with my recent CSI posting and the video evidence posted by you.

Art Bermen and some others at TOD attacked my articles by picking on inconsequential details. I decided to leave the scaling errors and several other omissions in my diagrammatic illustrations at the last minute. The errors do not really matter in the larger scale of scheme. I am approaching the problem from a very different perspective and have very little geological data to work on.

As said before I would like to handle these questions in a comprehensive manner which I am comfortable with. It is like fixing a giant jigsaw puzzle. There will always be mistakes. I would like to think I had all the major ones covered first. The rest I will handle in due course. I think this is not very different from how you handle things as well.

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Reply#11 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:47 PM EDT
LT student

BK Lim

Thanks for your analytical and revelatory articles!

I also appreciate your journey is a heavy and arduous one - up against BP and its well oiled cronies.

God Bless You and other Truth-seekers!

I am voting you up!

" The wind may sway the branches but worry not so long the tree trunk is firm" Ancient saying.

  • 8 votes
#11.1 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:49 PM EDT
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Danese

What do you think about the coral reef that's dying in Indonesia. Is there a possible solution to that problem. I heard it's going to affect billions of people.

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Reply#12 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:48 PM EDT
k3d59

Thank you for your work, Mr. Lim. Allen's statement today seems to indicate that Macondo remains in a state of flux and many questions remain unanswered.

http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/doc/2931/872525/

"...OK, number one, there wasn't a plan in place because this has never been done before. And, number two, I have never given you a timeline. I've always said this will be conditions-based. We're concerned about the vital signs of this well. We continue to be concerned about the vital signs...."

You are courteous to address readers' concerns. On many boards, there is an atmosphere of arrogance and elitism that is detrimental to the members of the community and not warranted by performance of those who hold themselves in high opinion. Thankfully that is not true here.

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Reply#13 - Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:37 PM EDT
BK Lim

Thank you k3d59. I try my best.

The greatest friend of Truth is time, her greatest enemy is Prejudice, and her constant companion Humility - Charles Caleb Colton ((1780 - 1832).

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#13.1 - Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:55 AM EDT
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chicagoite

This is the official NOAA report from the Thomas Jefferson. Page 23 &24 clearly show the location of the DWH and the huge 'natural seeps' in close proximity.

http://www.noaa.gov/sciencemissions/PDFs/tj_deepwaterhorizon_responsemissionreport_june3_11_2010final.pdf

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Reply#14 - Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:26 AM EDT
BK Lim

Thanks Chicagoite

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#14.1 - Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:17 AM EDT
Danese

Thanks Chicagoite

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#14.2 - Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:12 AM EDT
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kokohito

BK Lim

initial influx that caused the blowout was from the extended gas charged pressure (EGCP) zone and not from the bottom of the well as most had thought so

Read your articles again except that this time we appreciate the severity of the problem that GWSF represented.

BP must extract the oil NOW. Stop the carnage. To those people who still choose to cohort with BP in this massive cover-up is just abominable!

We are now in a 'war' where good is fighting evil on a massive scale. May all the good people rise to the challenge now and fight we must to win this 'war'. Enough is enough!

It is like fixing a giant jigsaw puzzle.

Thank you very much for your herculian effort.

Yes, I am voting you up.

  • 7 votes
Reply#15 - Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:56 PM EDT
BK Lim

kokohito,

I am overwhelmed by your spirit. Thanks we need all the help and moral encouragement to fight greed and keep big multinational corporates in line. There is still hope yet if there are more like you.

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#15.1 - Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:52 AM EDT
Strongpaw

BK - You are welcome.

fight greed and keep big multinational corporates in line

includes big government!

Your articles could be the catalyst we need to fight Goliath.


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#15.2 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:46 PM EDT
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Strongpaw

BK - Keep up your remarkable work.

I know you are sincere and you have my 1000% support!!

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Reply#16 - Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:14 PM EDT
BK Lim

Thanks a lot Strongpaw. At times when I want to give up, it is people like you and your words of encouragement that keeps this old vehicle going. Thanks also to all those who share the same sentiment. Apologise if I did not have time to thank each and everyone personally.

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#16.1 - Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:47 AM EDT
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nyghtshayde

They may have delayed the NSF research,but I wonder what NOAA and BP are going to do about this.

News Release : WHOI Scientists Map and Confirm Origin of Large, Underwater Hydrocarbon Plume in Gulf

Seems BP and all their puppets have lost face.

  • 8 votes
Reply#17 - Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:34 PM EDT
BK Lim

Nyghtshayde

I have confidence truth will prevail ... eventually, sigh! after so much is lost needlessly.

  • 7 votes
#17.1 - Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:44 AM EDT
Danese

I was just in a discussion yesterday about this topic. problems problems

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#17.2 - Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:27 AM EDT
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Steve-2203459

Senior NOAA Scientist Admits He Lied That Gulf Spill Oil Is Gone, Puts Administration's Spill-Disclosure "Credibility" In Question

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/senior-noaa-scientist-admits-he-lied-gulf-spill-oil-gone-puts-administrations-spill-disclosu

Keep up the work BKLim.....

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Reply#18 - Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:04 AM EDT
Briwnys

More vindication for Matt Simmons.

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#18.1 - Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:44 AM EDT
BK Lim

Steve

Thanks for the link and encouragement.

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#18.2 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:04 AM EDT
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Anon-2240564

I find your posting of this article, purposeful obfuscating or omitting technical facts for whatever reason to be bad journalism. You yourself said: the truth is always simple and logical, however you're complicating the truth you are trying to present to us.

This leads me to infer that your article is not completely researched and supportable, and was only published to take advantage of the death of Matt Simmons, which took three sentences to bring up.

While I appreciate the need for people to research and get to the truth, despise the wishes of powerful people and corporations, you're lowering your soap box each time you pull a stunt like this.

In the future, I would ask that you consider journalistic integrity and honesty, fully research and back up all claims, and provide better visuals of technical examples (low quality, barely readable images does not help anyone visual parse the details of your article).

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Reply#19 - Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:11 PM EDT
nyghtshayde

Anon

I see with a quick check of your column,this is the only comment you have made in your short time here.Do you even have any qualifications to question BK Lim on this subject or have you just dropped by to take shots?

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#19.1 - Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:36 PM EDT
BK Lim

Nyghtshayde

Yeah I just popped in to his column and amazingly this was his first and only comment. Thanks Nyghtshayde for alerting the readers.

Also check out Alex Higgins blog:

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2010/08/20/top-scientist-working-bp-gulf-oil-spill-federal-government-confirms-bp-drilled-wells-3180/

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2010/08/20/bp-gulf-oil-spill-seafloor-fractured-bad-oil-leak-years-relief-succeeds-3174/

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#19.2 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:03 AM EDT
Danese

amendment numba 1 freedom of speech-press

press what?

press your, pressure, press on

is the right to express still pending. How dare you put pressure on the help? I find you contemptible.

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#19.3 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:38 PM EDT
Danese

BK Lim, that's for everyone who want to put your intelligence down with a negative remark. Nobody asked for the negativity. The situation is already negative. negative + negative = Negative. We need to stay balanced. Danese positive + situation negative= stabilization.

All systems are go.

  • 6 votes
#19.4 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:43 PM EDT
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BK Lim

Anon

I find your posting of this article, purposeful obfuscating or omitting technical facts for whatever reason to be bad journalism. You yourself said: the truth is always simple and logical, however you're complicating the truth you are trying to present to us.

For me to answer, can you please point out which part of my article does not make sense to you?

  • 7 votes
Reply#20 - Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:33 PM EDT
nyghtshayde

Thought you might like this quote,it seemed appropriate-

There aren't any rules around here. We're trying to accomplish
something.- Thomas Edison

  • 7 votes
#20.1 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:03 AM EDT
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robin-6

I came across this tonight. I am not sure what to think about all this-- as I know nothing of Matt Simmons or any conspiracy to cover up the oil disaster before now. I've had a busy summer and haven't followed much online or the news lately. (except arguing now and then what I think is the biggest danger affecting us, religion. Read me if you must. I go back years here at the vine.) I've not even read this cover-up notion thru any other blogs that I get alerts from. I'll definitely go back thru your history to find out more about Matt and these other bloggers. Sometimes that is the best route to try to grasp the complexity.

BK, you mentioned in order to not be misconstrued, you need to show maps and diagrams while you're sharing your knowledge. Why not do that on video, post it on Youtube and bring it to us here? I will admit, it is hard to follow the lingo for us laypersons but we're not dumb or ignorant either and sometimes, as it is with the teller, it is with tellee, easier to do with implements. TO some of us, all we read is blah, blah, blah. Maybe we're right-brainers and it puts us to sleep, I don't know. I would love to see a video explaining all this (think Carl Sagan's great teaching skills) and if you have already, and I missed it, please point me in the direction.

I guess I question as to why you think the White House (NOAA) would cover up this mess? I think Obama was pretty blatant about who needed to take responsibility. It makes me suspect to read that kind of speculation. Conspiracy theories aren't something that are easy to lap up, especially for me. .

I hope I'm qualified to ask you a question or to even leave you this post, being just a regular person and all. Jeesh, we're told we're welcome, you want us here to tell us this truth you know--but your gallery of friends seem to guard you like a trojan horse that it makes one question if maybe life isn't easier to just move on. My curiosity won't let me yet, so here I am.

I have no idea who Anon is, but I thought his/her questions didn't warrant attacks but rather, a commitment to answer direct questions with direct answers. I guess I also get you're cautious as to thinking BP is watching and is so fearful of your knowledge that this might be life-threatening. What a hell of thing to have to be in the midst of, I'd have to say, but I'm also not so naive to know we're sold BS for breakfast, lunch and dinner every day of the week. I'm not BP, nor a fan of them, by the way. I'm just a voice out of the Great Pacific Northwest who cares deeply about the ecology of the earth and the immense damage being done to her by the raping and pillaging locusts. I personally want to see us move to bio-diesels (algae in particular) since it seems a good portion of the infrastructure is in place without having to reinvent the entire wheel.

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#21 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:45 AM EDT
BK Lim

Robin-6:

Thank you for dropping into the discussion. Of course everyone is welcome. You will notice that I spent a lot of time answering comments in my blog. I sort of enjoy it when I can get time off from my work.

I have no idea who Anon is, but I thought his/her questions didn't warrant attacks but rather, a commitment to answer direct questions with direct answers. I guess I also get you're cautious as to thinking BP is watching and is so fearful of your knowledge that this might be life-threatening. What a hell of thing to have to be in the midst of, I'd have to say, but I'm also not so naive to know we're sold BS for breakfast, lunch and dinner every day of the week.

I also had no idea who Anon was. I actually asked him to highlight the parts of my article that seems “purposefully obfuscating, omitting technical facts” so that I could answer him more clearly. I am very thankful for Nyghtshayde’s sharp and effective firewall detection of “virus intruders” sent to seek and destroy. It did not jive in my mind that Anon’s outright condemnation of this article was his first and only condemnation since registering with newsvine. My naivety shows even though I had written about it.

(The Art of Mass Deception – Part 1) published 18 Aug.

Despite BP’s numerous delay tactics, improprieties, inconsistencies and contradictions; the mainstream media, BP’s paid Bogus Press and “Oilmen Expert” bloggers never commented on the obvious flaws in BP’s rendition of the mega disaster. But the same Devil’s Advocates were so quick to bark and maul on articles or postings that disputed BP’s version of events.

(Anon’s 1st & only condemnation at newsvine) 21 Aug 9:11 (hope this not coincidentally significant)

I find your posting of this article, purposeful obfuscating or omitting technical facts for whatever reason to be bad journalism. You yourself said: the truth is always simple and logical, however you're complicating the truth you are trying to present to us.

Up to now, I have not seen his comments or highlighted sections of my articles. I am still waiting. If you are genuinely interested in knowing the truth and would like to bring up to date or get fill in on the gaps or clarify mistakes or complicated issues, you are truly welcome as you can see for yourself. I do not chase anyone away.

For more elaborate answers needing diagrams (a picture is worth a thousand words) and facts from many parts of my previous articles or evidence that had surfaced recently, I will need more time to compile and compose my thoughts instead of shooting off from my hips. I think my friends and readers will appreciate that. That’s why they come to this blog and they would like to keep it this way free from profanities, vocal and outright condemnations without basis; uncontaminated by political and vested interests’ motives. There are already numerous blogs that offer openly vocal, shouting matches and boxing rings excitements that bloggers indulge in. Our aim is to keep this blog a serene place of courteous and intelligent dialogs where readers all over the world can seek the simple truths without the BS.

but your gallery of friends seem to guard you like a trojan horse

I think my friends acted independently out of their sound judgment to protect the sanctity of this blog’s objectives. I do not fault them and are indeed thankful to them. Though an old man, I am a novice to this wonderful world of blogging, barely 2 months old. They just felt the need to protect this “temple of truth” from unwarranted distractions and contaminations.

We are all truth seekers here with different paths to the same objectives. I am more comfortable with writing and diagrams so I will stick to that. I enjoy reading other blogs in the newsvine (political, conservation, animals, life, nature, travels and other day to day family activities) but I find myself tongue-tied to comment socially (though I did vote) for fear of saying the wrong things that might offend; probably from long years of “social solitary confinement” in the sea. I am still learning to loosen myself so that I can participate actively in those discussions. So if my friends do not see my comments in your blogs, I apologise if I seem aloof.

  • 8 votes
#21.1 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 8:16 AM EDT
nyghtshayde

Robin 6

If you really wish to inform yourself I can offer up science,that the EPA,NOAA,BP and many others have concealed.This first link is very thorough research,that was provided to Congress before their investigation.They chose to ignore it and not warn the public of the potential dangers to them and the environment.They have also continued to use dispersant in the Gulf,despite claiming they are not.

http://www.sciencecorps.org/crudeoilhazards.htm

Corexit Is Being Sprayed at Night, Even Now (According to BP Vessel of Opportunity Workers and Others)

Here is a link to an article from the other day that will provide many enlightening links and much information about the lack of honesty by those in our government.I have posted many relevant links to the learning proces throughout the discussion.It is also an insight into the defensive stance we have taken.First the article link,then the scienctific research that confirms the story.

*BREAKING* New report reveals ocean floor covered in crude oil just 40 miles from Florida coast and heading east (PHOTO)

News Release : WHOI Scientists Map and Confirm Origin of Large, Underwater Hydrocarbon Plume in Gulf

You may also want to reconsider eating that seafood, that they claim is safe.

Gulf oil spill still a threat to seafood, JAMA study indicates

  • 9 votes
#21.2 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:57 AM EDT
robin-6

Dear BK,
Well thank you for taking the time, I truly understand much better now. I also understand having good friends looking out. IF you want to stick around to participate and comment in social chat, get used to not worrying about offending as you will find, there'll always be those who take offense at the slightest thing. I just want to make sure you're for real and I'm well excited that you're proving to be, other than I'm worried about this cover-up beyond frustration. You know there are some pretty slippery slopes out here and we all either wear our own colored glasses or just aren't exposed enough to fact-based evidence. As my daughter says, I have a the best built-in BS detector in the world. I am cynical and cautious, so please bear with me as I ask and assimilate. I mean no disrespect.

I have quite a bit of work to do to catch up here with you, but I've thus far, found you presonally and all this --very fascinating. I did check on a blog website you posted and was incredibly dismayed at the pictures of the oil-soaked animals. (brings tears, doesn't it all!) It is so maddening, it's hard from not wanting to go oil-baron hunting and I guess it gives us better understanding of the serf-war mentality of the dark ages.

This is what I don't get; I guess I don't understand if Obama's objective is to turn the mindset of the people to green tech and to participate heavily into getting us off fossil fuel dependency, I can't think of a better way of doing it than exposing the truth for what it is, so I don't get this NOAA denial stuff. When you get a chance, could you please fill me on this thinking? Is it b/c we collectively can't handle the truth? Or the truth makes us complacent to the point nothing moves us forward out of this spire of self-destruction? And perhaps he (and his admin) are well aware of how close this country is to civil war and he's trying to not be the catalyst. I am confused and dumb-founded by these accusations yet, I have to know the truth. What IS the truth?!

Anyway, I LOVE intellects and especially the scientific mind. As I said, unfortunately I'm a right-brainer, (left leaning politico-brain) but I am a truth-seeker, even if the truth chaps my hide. So I'll defintely plug along and ask to be excused if I come across lame.

Thank you for your time and I will certainly follow this with much anticipation. I would love to hear your life stories about the sea and the work you do, so I'm glad you're finding comfortability here that may be you'll want to share more. Hopefully there is some treasure already laid down with what you've shared thus far over the past 2 months. Who doesn't love fascinating people.

Welcome to Newsvine and thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise. :-)

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#21.3 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:20 PM EDT
BK Lim

Thanks for your links.

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#21.4 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:21 PM EDT
BK Lim

Robin-6

It is my pleasure. Glad to have you to share your thoughts.

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#21.5 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:33 PM EDT
BK Lim

nyghtshayde

The thanks at #2.4 is for you.

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#21.6 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:38 PM EDT
robin-6

You're welcome and I look forward to your answers about the Obama/NOAA participating in a BP cover-up and the reasons why.

SO let me get this straight. Your position is the well A that was/is in full blown leak, the one that was attached to the platform rig that blew up did not really get capped and its still pouring out millions of gals of oil daily. That there is a second well (B) that was also in distress but the knowledge about it has been quelled and that is really the one that was capped and the one we're all seeing via remote. One of your jobs is running one of these subsurface viewers? Maybe I need to reread this about 10 times to get all you're saying but in a nutshell, am I remotely close to "getting it"??

Where IS all the oil? Are they, (BP) et al, capturing and siphoning much of it up in ships?
Can they really do anything about it, if well A is not capped, or just have to let it leak till the well is empty?

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#21.7 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:56 PM EDT
Danese

ask exxon mobile

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#21.8 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:14 PM EDT
robin-6

Ya know, I was chatting with a friend of mine who leans far right a few weeks ago and he was telling me that his circle of rightleaners are saying Obama owns huge shares into the Venzuela oil fields and that this huge pool of oil is on the other end of the Horizon well site, so this all lays around Obama wanting to see the Venzuela site draw the majority of this deep water well from that end. I didn't buy it then, so what is it you're trying to say Danese b/c "ask exxon mobile" is rather a trite directive, don't you think?

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#21.9 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:23 PM EDT
BK Lim

I am working on an article right now. In a nutshell there was no grand master plan - no one can plan something as big as this. The Charade just got bigger and bigger from the many oversights or loop-holes. The more regulations we have the more loop-holes to exploit. To cover one lie you have to make up more lies - you know what I mean.

Mass deception works well in isolation. If everybody knows a little bit and not too much, you cannot get the full picture. It is not only happening here but all over the world in different degrees. The charade got so big, so much so they cannot get out. So make the best of it - "Profit while it burns" and then put on the magic acts to get away or disappearing act. The more confused the better.

Basically the official Well A is actually Well B and the suspected Well B which BP never claimed to have drilled at first was actually S20BC which blew out on 20th April 2010. The full story in my next article - "The Art of Mass Deception Part 2 - The twisted tale of the missing well that blew." So BP actually drilled 3 wells, Well A in 2009, Well B in 2010 from 6 Feb till 16 March and S20BC from 17 March till the 20 April Blowout.

First there is one Well. Then after all the denials, it is slowly emerging that there were 2 wells. But logically there should be a third well.

  • 8 votes
#21.10 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:35 PM EDT
Danese

No. I heard something on the vine about it. So I threw it out there instead of assuming nothing of it Robin

  • 6 votes
#21.11 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:35 PM EDT
Danese

I always know what I'm doing. Any more remarks?

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#21.12 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:36 PM EDT
robin-6

you might, but if you want who you're talking to understand you, 3 word directives don't help. No need for more remarks, especially smarta$$ed ones. IF that's your game, I can live without ya.

  • 3 votes
#21.13 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 2:03 PM EDT
robin-6

Okay BK, I'll look forward to your next interesting article. Thanks for your time and help. I understand how things do get to the point of obscurity, as we have been living with wag-the-dogs for most of our existence. Bread and Circuses always being the reverting winner of them all!
If we all really knew, we'd probably either be truly killing each other or taking the last swig of champagne with the bottle of red pills.

  • 3 votes
#21.14 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 2:07 PM EDT
Briwnys

Where IS all the oil? Are they, (BP) et al, capturing and siphoning much of it up in ships?

Can they really do anything about it, if well A is not capped, or just have to let it leak till the well is empty?

robin-6,

6 weeks before the April 20 blowout, BP reported to the Minerals Management Service that they had lost well control, that the bottom of the well had fractured, they had lost 'tools' down it and were in effect sealing that one off. This is documented in communications received by MMS as is their okay to proceed. This was reported to the Congressional committee reviewing the events as early as May -

From:Douglas, Scherie D
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 11:11 AM
To: Patton, Frank
Cc: Powell, Heather (JC Connor Consulting)
Subject: MC 252 #001 - Plug back approval requested
Importance: High
Frank,
We are in the midst of a well control situation on Me 252 #001 and have stuck pipe. We are bringing out equipment to begin operations to sever the drillpipe, plugback the well and bypass.

The APM for the plugback is submitted in Ewell. The BOP test is due tomorrow. We would like to set the plugs (2) after we kill the well and then test BOPs per the procedure in the APM. Please advise if this is acceptable.

Please let me know if you have any questions or require additional information. Thanks.
Scherie Douglas
Sr. Regulatory & AdvocarJ!} Advisor
BP Exploration & Production Inc.
http://energycommerce.house.gov/documents/20100530/BP-HZN-CEC018375.pdf

It took them 6 weeks to drill a new well, which is the one that blew up on April 20. Matt Simmons suspected the leaks where most of the oil was spewing was this second well but the location given and displayed in the ROV videos was the first well.

Where is all the oil? In plumes, hidden 3000' beneath the surface. One plume (there are more) contains almost 3.5 trillion gallons by volume, though it should be stressed that amount includes seawater as well as oil and dispersant. It is not a matter of waiting til the well is empty. The oil will continue to spew until the pressure drops but can continue to seep from the fractured seafloor for years. The total reserve encompasses 25000 square miles of oil and gas bearing sediment both offshore and beneath Louisiana from near the Texas border across to Mississippi and Alabama into Florida. No one knows how long it will continue.

With the probability of a disaster of this magnitude, is it any wonder BP is engaged in a coverup?

  • 7 votes
#21.15 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:09 PM EDT
Danese

Well they started killing the Right Whales in the 1800's and continued through to the 1900's. There''s afew left. oh by the way they are knoiwn for enormous value for their plentiful oil. Oh and they are endangered the most endang

  • 4 votes
#21.16 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:56 PM EDT
robin-6

Thank you so much Brinwyn! I'm going to have to come back and re-read this again and probably even again. I've read all the missives they had in the website you posted. I'm not quite sure what I'm reading, so let me take some time. What I do want to say right now, is I thoroughly appreciate your time in educating me and addressing me. I'm here to learn, not to make enemies or fight.

This is looking very very very scary. what the hell...

So who is not for bio-diesels NOW!? Who is not for cleaner.. better ways of being?! This is a mindFK, to say the least! As if it wasn't from the beginning-- but we have been sold they've got at least a handle on it and by the sounds of it, they've never had a handle on it, and may not for who knows how long. Dead Gulf of Mexico. Next? Oh yeah, The Arctic WL refuge!

Goddamn corruption and greed.

I'll be back. Thanks again!

  • 7 votes
#21.17 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 8:08 PM EDT
robin-6

Nyghtshayde! Wow, I have no idea how this happened, but I just came upon your post to me after reviewing these. I don't know if we were posting at the same time but this never came up as a green button for me under the conversation tracker--so I am just now recapping this as well as doing some research about Matt Simmons and reading yours and watching what you're sharing here. Thank you for your time and willingness to help educate me too. I really appreciate it.

NOW, I realize who you guys are talking about with Matt Simmons, yes, I've seen him a few times. (damn brain cells, anyway!) Wow, there's much to see here, much to get caught up on but I'm working on it. Much of what I've read is what you guys are touting is you're just consipiracy theorists run-a-muk and that Matt Simmons was a blowhard, so to speak. Okay, we've all been here before and really, one has to do the indepth research and decide what seems credible or not. From the getgo, anymore, we KNOW damn well we're lied to every day by the powers that be? I thought it was awfully suspicious when we heard opinions this was "going to take years to get under control" to all the sudden folks, "guess what? All is well! Whew, guess we better do a bit better next time. Drill, baby, drill!"

By no means do I consider you wankers and I promise to get caught up here and back to you. I find urgency in your opinions. I hear you. I am tuned in. I know damn well, how in the pockets our gov't officials are with big corporations. (by my own experiences.) We have no doubt been lied to, set up, misled, misinformed, then castigated or killed for our commitment to truth. I would like to think Matt Simmons was an honorable man, he certainly was passionate and damn well educated. (I just viewed a few recorded news clips when he was on Bloomberg.) Anymore, how can we tell fact from fiction? Any time data or even pictures are so easily discredited--even IF real, can get turned around to make others believe it's BS. For me, I do my best to try to go by logical deduction and follow the money. Follow the politics and politicos. (where did they come from, how corrupt is the arm of gov't that's been infiltrated. DO remember that! "infiltrated." The oligarchists have taken over our country. And they're ruling our world, every damn inch and part of it.

Nyghtshayde, Just wanted to thank you for your hand in friendship and the conversation and links. I'll get to these very soon and I'll be back!

Looking forward to more "bad" news. Just can't stick our heads in the mud about it, now can we...

  • 7 votes
#21.18 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:24 PM EDT
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Danese

Bk Lim I just wanted to say that you are very intelligent. I can't understand not one thing that you re talking about. I wouldn't be able to do what you do, so I will opt for the cheerleader position.

Guess who's smart **BK-Lim** We need people like you in this world, and others need not to put you down by trying to find fault and error in your work, but pitch in where they see that they can help. People like that are jeolous of your brilliance and try to bring your spirit down. When they need to give you your props and try to help the cause so that we can put an end to this crisis. So let the haters do what they do and hate on your intelligence. But I will be right there to pick it back up. It's called moral support.

  • 7 votes
Reply#22 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:07 AM EDT
BK Lim

Danese

Appreciate your moral support. I am just putting my expertise to good use. The cause is much bigger than all of us. All help and support much needed before the damage to our environment is Beyond Patch-up (BP pun intended).

  • 7 votes
#22.1 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:18 PM EDT
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Danese

I think the endangered animals, and plants have something to do with this crisis as well. The Animal Kingdom and well as Agriculture play a big roll in keeping our planet running smoothly. We have endangered plants that have been listed since 1988 and which are still endangered. How can that be. I know for a fact that the government fund agencies and organizations for these important causes. The staff is probably taking the money and doing other things with it and covering it up. The turtles are endangered, Harabella is endangered and that's just 2 among many. Now that the animals need certain plants for medicine they are dying because we wanted to build new condo's (construction) around a bush of Harabella(without hiring somebody that specialize in plants and animals to safe guard that section of life while still building for the people to raise up new communities which is fine to do. Did anybody consider to relocate the animals and consider the plant life before we start building our new homes on their property. and not givin a f#$.

  • 7 votes
Reply#23 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:23 AM EDT
BK Lim

very much agree with you.

  • 6 votes
#23.1 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:19 PM EDT
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Danese

and not to get off subject but when I was reading about Harabella being a herb I defined herb i noticed that it said used for seasonings and used in medicine- not for medicine.

  • 6 votes
Reply#24 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:18 PM EDT
Danese

I wonder who is going to pay for the slaying of all of those whales. They have probably been praying for somebody to rescue them. I didn't know humpback whales sing...it's probably a slavery song like the ones my great grand mother used to sing back in slavery days (Well I was in a discussion earlier with someone who said it's perfectlly ok to hunt whales. Well he can go to @@#@. They have been hunted to dam near extinction. I can't see nothing all right about that. How in the f@#2 you gon tell me that the humpback whale done learned how to sing probably a song of rescue. they probably saved their own life by singing it out loud. Their population fell by 90%. Well whoever's responsible for the killing of the whales should take the blame and pay back with their life or the life of their children or first born on some real cruel like punishment. Maybe that will justify killing something that God blessed. That'll teach em.

  • 5 votes
Reply#25 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:30 PM EDT
BK Lim

Danese

Are you referring to the 60 whales found dead in NZ?

http://www.starcitynews.com/about-60-whales-found-dead-on-new-zealand-beach/648

  • 5 votes
#25.1 - Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT
Danese

no. the right whales in south africa

  • 6 votes
#25.2 - Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:40 PM EDT
Larry Crehore

BK Lim

How are things going? Here is one more I just found today:

http://larry-crehore.newsvine.com/_news/2010/08/23/4954858-mississippi-shrimpers-refuse-to-trawl-fearing-oil-dispersants-ips-ipsnewsnet

at least the fishermen are trying to get the word outl

  • 7 votes
#25.3 - Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:16 PM EDT
nyghtshayde

The fishermen don't want to be held responsible for BP and government lies.These people are getting royally screwed all involved,even some of their own.

  • 6 votes
#25.4 - Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:29 PM EDT
bore-head007

I promise you The fishermen want to deliver quality, TOP quality products, to the dinner tables of America.

This is an unforgivable tragedy to our fish,crabs, oysters, and the world FAMOUS Gulf shrimp.

As NOAA is continuously stepping up the death knell of the fraction of the fleet that survives today, but will be gone tomorrow, if there is no intervention.

The fishing fleet in New England is being destroyed daily, as another processor in New Bedford, will close, and lay off sixty people, and halt the exportation of an under utilized species, skate, that effects the commerce of this country.

The same with dogfish. We export this product, that there is a huge population of, and by the way, consume huge amounts of preferred fish species.

The fishermen will not let the cosumers of the product that they deliver, to be anything but the best. They have integrity.

  • 6 votes
#25.5 - Sun Sep 5, 2010 10:11 AM EDT
BK Lim

BH

I can't help but observe that NOAA seems to more like a mighty Lordship watching over their serfs instead of a regulatory / research body?

  • 6 votes
#25.6 - Sun Sep 5, 2010 12:26 PM EDT
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