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The diagrammatic illustration that says it all.

Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:16 AM EDT
environment, gulf-of-mexico, noaa, bp-oil-spill, blowout, transocean, tod, dwh, gom, bk-lim, crazy-horse, geohazards, mega-disaster, s20bc, mass-deception, macondo-a, well-a, well-b, zombie-well, thunder-horse
By BK Lim
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-28 Aug 2010 Hydrocomgeo@gmail.com

Within 4 days of publishing this article, Why is-BP’s Macondo Blowout so disastrous and Beyond Patch-up with this diagrammatic illustration, visits to my column shot up by almost 20,000%.

This diagram which had been pasted all over the world had been ridiculed as total nonsense, comical, garbage and many other terms which I will not post here.

Please judge for yourself the accuracy of this qualitative model and the predictions that had since proven to be true with recent events.

The label “Well Location” intentionally left out the alphabet “A” as it was intended to be the well that was actually drilled which forensic analyses of the seabed debris determined to be 720 ft NNW of Well A. This mysterious “well that never was” (referred to as “S20BC”) is still being ignored publicly by the Authorities, BP and all those involved in the cover-up to continue duping the American public and world at large. This damaged S20BC well is the real gusher and the vertical conduit draining oil and gas out of the giant reservoir at 18,300 ft below mud line; not the bogus capped Well A.

Well A was drilled down to 5000 ft or thereof. It had to be abandoned on 13 Feb 2010 due to a broken drilling rod string which was jammed in the well. One must ask why a drill string of steel pipes could be jammed inside the well bore. Recently we hear BP admitting the possibility of formation collapse. And how could the formation collapse into the well bore without pressurized fluid forcing debris and jamming the drilling rods in the open section of the well?

So my independent geological model was right. Dr Bea was right. Matt Simmons was right. So did millions all over the world who did not fall for the Bogus Press releases and the blatant acts of Mass Deception.

Well A could not be the well that blew up on 20 April 2010. At 5000 ft bml, the bottom of Well A is still 13,000 ft above the reservoir. Well A was already leaking hydrocarbon migrating through the faults, GWSF zone and the pervious flanks of the Dome or whatever vertical structural deformities. Well B was drilled to 13,100 ft.

The mysterious “well that never was” (S20BC) reached the targeted reservoir at 18,300 ft bml. It was this well that blew on 20 April 2010. This well had to stay hidden to hide the many dark secrets of the Macondo well. Credit must be given to the determined few who against all odds and the myriad of half truths, distorted facts and Bogus Press information, persevered to bring to the world the truth.

Drilling at Well B and S20BC only made a precarious geological situation worse, by acting as vertical conduits to the shallower 176 ft thick gas-charged siltstone bed discovered by the Texaco Rigel Well in 1999 and BP’s targeted giant reservoir at 18,000 ft bml.

As long been suspected, Well A was deviously capped to mesmerize the world into a hypnotic trance, diverted from the real environmental disaster. A 5000 ft deep Well A would explain the many unexplainable inconsistencies and mysterious evidence that are surfacing now in killing the zombie well that refused to lay dead.

This geological illustration that says it all was independently created on 25 July 2010 based on limited publicly available information, thousands of miles from the crime scene. It explains the need for so many cover-ups. And if these cover-ups are any indication of BP’s misconduct, integrity and credibility, we should be worried about Another Deepwater Production Platform in the Gulf called Thunderhorse at Prospect 778/822.

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BK Lim

Can the world afford to continue to be duped? Why can't we wake from this hypnotising spell cast upon us? Can we afford not to face the truth?

  • 13 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:23 AM EDT
Que2646

Thanks for your efforts to explain this. BP's safety violations were inexcusable, their actions after the blowout were irrational, their PR to cover it up is deceptive, and their pattern of stock sales show that management was aware of the risk but put personal profit over public safety. I hope we can eventually get to the bottom of this and that both civil and criminal actions are sought to set the matter as straight as possible. The damage done can never be undone.

  • 13 votes
#1.1 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:14 AM EDT
BK Lim

Que

I think you just summed it all. Thank you.

  • 8 votes
#1.2 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:29 AM EDT
nyghtshayde

Quite an interesting find this morning.

EXCLUSIVE: Tests find sickened family has 50.3 ppm of Corexit's 2-butoxyethanol in swimming pool — JUST ONE HOUR NORTH OF TAMPA (lab report included)

  • 10 votes
#1.3 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:48 AM EDT
Kelly Ann Thomas

I do not doubt that all residents of the Gulf Coast are suffering from the effects of the oil and dispersants. However, I question the veracity of this report. If there was that much Corexit in their pool water, it would seem that the surrounding vegetation should be trashed (and in neighbors yards as well), but the only reference is to a dead lily.

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:55 PM EDT
nyghtshayde

Chemist: Oysters contain 1.25% (12,500 ppm) hydrocarbons near MS River Delta

400 sought medical care after trips to Escambia County beaches - Official

  • 10 votes
#1.5 - Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:19 PM EDT
Danese

Maybe it's the influence.

  • 3 votes
#1.6 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:25 PM EDT
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boattrash

This diagram which had been pasted all over the world had been ridiculed as total nonsense, comical, garbage and many other terms which I will not post here.

That is because it is inaccurate. Getting drill strings stuck in a well is a fairly common occurance in the oil field, not the huge conspiracy you want to make it out to be. They try to recover the stuck string, but there is a point where it becomes more cost effective to P & A the hole and start again. If your scenario were true there would still be significant new oil appearing on the surface. Friends of mine that run skimmer vessels have been back at the dock for well over a month now. We transit the area on a regular basis, no new sheen or slick in the area. We are very sorry this did not turn into the catastrophic disaster you were expecting, but continued made up scenarios is not helping alot of people that need to get back to work. BP made a bad engineering call on that well and cost 11 people their lives, also giving an entire industry a black eye, but we have drilled thousands of wells successfully. They went against industry standards and it has ended up costing alot of hard working people their way of life. Arm chair engineering is not needed at this time, actually for people that work out here the only reason we read your article is for entertainment, not to much to laugh about out here at this time, for that we thank you.

  • 4 votes
#2 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 8:24 AM EDT
Que2646

There was a lot more than a stuck drill bit involved, and as far as I know, we only have BP's story on that. Was that given originally as a reason for abandoning the hole, or after the fact?

  • 9 votes
#2.1 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:01 AM EDT
nyghtshayde

but we have drilled thousands of wells successfully.

Spoken like a true industry shill.

Arm chair engineering is not needed at this time

No the truth is and BK is qualified and experienced.What qualifications do you have?Why should we believe what you say,over hundreds of others from the area?

  • 11 votes
#2.2 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:18 AM EDT
boattrash

I have worked in the oilfield for twenty-five years. I am not a engineer, but to see through the BS this guy is spreading does not take a degree. A couple corlorful drawings and some big words is that all it takes to suck you in. Pretty laim.

The well blew because a Company-man(BP's rep.) had his head up his ass, being led by the nose by a office engineer, made one of the stupidist calls ever and got 11 people killed. That is as far as the conspiracy therory goes. That comes from people I know that work on the sister rig to the Horizon, that was their friends that died. I tend to believe them and not a arm chair quaterback.

  • 3 votes
#2.3 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:43 AM EDT
nyghtshayde

A couple corlorful drawings and some big words

We have a long list of industry "experts" that agree with BK's summary of the geology in the Gulf.People that are qualified in the field of geology,people that are currently working on the disaster and people involved in every aspect of oil drilling.BTW,BK has over thirty years in this field and is also considered an expert on this subject.I'll take the opinions of experts in the industry over the gossip in an industry,that routinely threatens their workers for releasing truthful information.BP and most of their workers have released nothing ,but propaganda and BS to cover their lying a$$es.

  • 11 votes
#2.4 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:59 AM EDT
BK Lim

That is because it is inaccurate

Care to elaborate which part of my geological model or forensic analysis is inaccurate?

  • 10 votes
#2.5 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:03 AM EDT
BK Lim

boattrash:

drill strings stuck in a well is a fairly common occurance in the oil field, not the huge conspiracy you want to make it out to be.

Getting killed is also a daily occurrence. Should we dispense with all homicide investigation then? Getting drill strings stuck is not the problem and not the conspiracy. It is the cover-up and the deceit beneath.

  • 12 votes
#2.6 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:04 AM EDT
BK Lim

Boattrash

there would still be significant new oil appearing on the surface

That is precisely the reason massive dosage of Corexit was usedand in the process poisoning the Gulf indiscriminately, including you and your family. Can you live with that?

  • 11 votes
#2.7 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:07 AM EDT
BK Lim

Boattrash:

We transit the area on a regular basis, no new sheen or slick in the area

Maybe you are looking at the wrong place, surface or below. Are you sure in the right gulf? or in the gulf of Ignorant Bliss.

  • 11 votes
#2.8 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:14 AM EDT
BK Lim

boattrash:

We are very sorry this did not turn into the catastrophic disaster you were expecting

Why should you be sorry? I do not profit from this catastrophe unlike some who sold unusual amount of their BP shares just before the blowout, buy up stocks in companies that were going to profit from this disaster. When are you going to wake up to the truth?

Or are you too afraid/selfish/vested interest/ignorant (choose one or more) to handle the truth?

  • 10 votes
#2.9 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:18 AM EDT
BK Lim

boattrash:

made up scenarios is not helping alot of people that need to get back to work.

Since when is seeking the truth and investigative reporting = making up scenarios. If we all bury our heads into the mud, then of course the people who were criminally responsible for all these will be very happy with knuckleheads like you. Companies with good governance and safety records also provide employment. Why are you still pro BP - a company with poor safety records and poor governance?

11 people died needlessly because the wells could have been drilled at a safer location with less problems. Do you have a problem with that?

  • 10 votes
#2.10 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:27 AM EDT
BK Lim

boattrash:

BP made a bad engineering call on that well and cost 11 people their lives

That is precisely the need for all these massive doses of cover-ups. The world is watching. Or was it willful negligence?

Bad engineering call on site is not the root cause. BP repeatedly ignored the red flags.

They should have learnt from the 2009 bad experience in Well A. No.

They re-entered Well A on 3 Feb. That was a bad call by the management. Did they learn from that? No.

They drilled at Well B 300 ft away. That was a bad call. They should have reassess the situation. Did they? NO

Had pretty much the same problems but the drillers managed to control the well, even though "they damn well blew it". Can you blame the crew? No they did their best on a hell hole. BP should pull back and reassess. Did they? No

Yes they had permission to side track but they knew it was suicidal to sidetrack from the same bad surface location. So they moved to a new surface location. They should have applied for approval. Did they do that? No.

If they had, MMS would have queried them on the real problems and they would have to declare that they have a real gas problem. The original application to MMS downplayed the gas problem. 2 wells cannot be wrong. The BP man on site cannot be making so many bad calls. 3 well locations at 4 different times. No the real bad calls came from the Management.

So they moved to an unapproved, unreported location. Was that a bad call? You bet.

In fact it is outright criminal which ever way you put it because you are blindly putting more than 125 personnel on a death list.

Now tell me again which part you do not understand? boattrash?

  • 10 votes
#2.11 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:53 AM EDT
Strongpaw

boattrash

We the Truth-seekers want just that - the TRUTH!! So many Lies, Spins n Inconsistencies by BP (read Nyghtshayde blogs) have been uncovered by news unless of course you are a die hard loyalist of BP, no matter what.

BK is advocating that Safety, due Diligence n professional objectivity and not $$ at all costs - to the extent of ignoring several red flags that ultimately caused the unnecessary loss of lives.

Do you honestly believe that the "stuck drillbit" is all there is that cause this mega disaster? How simple minded can you be? If you choose this route, that's your call, but do Not diminish the great service given by BK. Period!

  • 9 votes
#2.12 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:54 AM EDT
sctodd

I guess you didn't hear that 80% of the oil remains in the form of sub-surface plumes. If that much oil can be hidden how much more can they hide?

  • 10 votes
#2.13 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:56 AM EDT
boattrash

Your are attempting to pass off opinion as fact, that is not helping anyone.

  • 3 votes
#2.14 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:56 AM EDT
BK Lim

boattrash:

we have drilled thousands of wells successfully.

Precisely, I have also conducted hundreds of site surveys and had passed almost 80% of them. Don’t get me wrong. I am against any Blanket Ban of anything including offshore drilling. There is always a prudent safe way of doing things and a blindly-profit orientated bull-headed way is just not the way. Looking at the data, this disaster need not have happened and 11 people need not have to die in vain.

BP can still drill and tap the oil in a safe way. But NO, a few people in BP wanted to have their highway (or no way) and I am sure many good men who stood up against the bad ways were shown the exit way.

Why do you you insist on protecting the few (yachting in luxuries) and let the majority suffer in misery in the GULF OF MESS? If the criminals go scott free, then why bother with good governance. Let’s be like Zimbabwe. So Madoff made millions, he should then go free.

Drilling thousands of wells successfully is a very poor argument to put forth your point. How many of these thousands were actually managed by the culprits responsible for the GULF DISASTER?

So we now have Tony Hayward going to Sakhalin to create another disaster in Russia. Tony Hayward should be proud to display to the world – I Bloody @!$%#ed the Gulf up and I still have my life back. He has been rewarded with a golden parachute and what did you get?

A poisonous Gulf of Misery soaked in oil. Are you really happy with that?

  • 10 votes
#2.15 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:11 PM EDT
BK Lim

boattrash

They went against industry standards and it has ended up costing alot of hard working people their way of life.

So why are you still supporting bad management, corporate misconduct and safety violations so blindly.

Working safely need not be expensive. Since when is PREVENTION more costly then CURE?

So many things at the bottom of the ocean can be covered up. The deep-tow MBES probably did not function, that's why they resorted to compiling the bathy from SBES, a common industrial practice. There is a lot more cover-ups than just going against industry standards. Why? Bec money can be made by scheming of the cream, omitting certain necessities and cutting corners. Does that immediately cause a disaster? No

A disaster only occurs when every damn thing goes wrong at the same time when everyone is least prepared and when it is least expected.

We should support companies that practice good governance and prudent conduct. I have seen so many good and honest professionals in the industry sidelined in favour of those who used questionable means of achieving performance or profit at the expense of safety.

How many disasters, bubbles and fiascos do you need before you can wake up to your senses?

You can only make insane quick profit when there is turbulence in the market not when it is dull and calm. Likewise you can only impress your clients with 20% returns (when everyone else is having 3%), if you are doing something illegal. Tony Hayward was sent specifically to handle the Gulf projects precisely for his experience and expertise in difficult prospects. Is this how it is suppose to turn up? Why does BP need his experienced expertise to screw up the GULF so badly? You could do it on your own Boattrash.

  • 9 votes
#2.16 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:35 PM EDT
BK Lim

boattrash:

Arm chair engineering is not needed at this time, actually for people that work out here the only reason we read your article is for entertainment, not to much to laugh about out here at this time, for that we thank you.

Well I did try to make it entertaining while getting the message across. But some are already so chronically drunk the only way they can help a sinking boat, is by sinking it faster.

For your information, I am not an arm chair engineer. I have over 30 years of hands-on experience in the field and we do not have arm-chairs in places where I work. I am not telling you how to clean up your own @!$%#. I am quite sure you know how to do that on your own. I am only pointing out the glaring discrepancies and BS given out by BP. The gaps in the BP's storyline are so big and numerous, you do not even need a fine-comb. Those in the know cannot tell and those who can tell don't know (eg Rockman, Art Berman, Pinkfud, Craigwcoop, Quaking etc from TOD).

  • 9 votes
#2.17 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:57 PM EDT
Dowser

boattrash, your line of reasoning is what got us into this mess. Now, if you think a column of oil/water that is the size of the one out there, floating beneath the surface, the increase in acidity of the atmosphere, the introduction of PAHs into the food chain, are NOT a big problem, you, sir, are completely delusional.

Just because it isn't floating up on the surface doesn't mean it isn't there-- no telling what is on the sea floor, mingled with the corexit, killing everything in sight.

No one here is an arm-chair engineer. I'm a hydrogeologist, and I've spent 29 years cleaning up oil spills on land. I KNOW what damage has been done-- I just don't know the extent.

If you feel this to be in error, please feel free to link to your own diagram and information that can be substantiated via public information. I would be very interested in seeing it.

  • 12 votes
#2.18 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:52 PM EDT
BK Lim

Hi Dowser, glad you drop by.

  • 7 votes
#2.19 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:42 AM EDT
Dowser

(((((((((((((((BK Lim))))))))))))))))))))))

Good to see you, as always!

  • 7 votes
#2.20 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:38 PM EDT
Reply
boattrash

It explains the need for so many cover-ups and why the Macondo prospect was originally called Thunder Horse.

Thunder Horse is located in MC 788 roughly 35 miles SSW of MC 252, it is inaccurate information such as this that sinks your credibility. Thunder Horse has been in production for @ 4 years, after the TLP was repaired from damage in either Katrina or Rita.

  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 8:44 AM EDT
sctodd

BP's credibility is the one in question. BK's work has brought us much light in this unfortunate blackout of the truth. BK is doing us all a great service. Thanks again BK

  • 10 votes
#3.1 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 9:33 AM EDT
boattrash

BK's work is bull@!$%#, he is doing no one any service. There is no shining light when you use made up facts. I can see where people not familar with the drilling process could mistake his distortions as fact, the truth is not one of his predicitions are based on fact. If you choose to believe this that is up to you, but someone pushing this off as anything other than what it is, which is his opinion based on his own imagination is being misleading at the least.

  • 5 votes
#3.2 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:09 AM EDT
nyghtshayde

Your qualifications,other than being boattrash?

  • 10 votes
#3.3 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:20 AM EDT
boattrash

Working out in the Gulf to provide you with gas under $3.00 gallon and keeping your electricity bill under $500 a month, also taking care of my family. Not over 1,000 miles away making @!$%# up.

  • 2 votes
#3.4 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:53 AM EDT
sctodd

Dear Boattrash,

Appreciate the concern for our finances but I'm for not living in a cesspool of hydrocarbons, corexit, and other toxic substances. I think fresh breathable air, fresh water and life come first. It doesn't take rocket science to figure that out. Thank God there are people out there trying to provide your family with that!

  • 10 votes
#3.5 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:04 AM EDT
nyghtshayde

Working out in the Gulf to provide you with gas under $3.00 gallon and keeping your electricity bill under $500

With a total disregard for the future of our children and your own?Don't assume you are doing me any favors,as I have the ability and want to use other energy sources.The only favors you are doing are for corporate interests and your own interest.

Not over 1,000 miles away making @!$%# up.

LOL.You make a lot of assumptions with nothing to support your opinions.

  • 11 votes
#3.6 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:09 AM EDT
boattrash

Not making assumptions at all just commenting on the article.

This geological illustration that says it all was independently created on 25 July 2010 based on limited publicly available information, thousands of miles from the crime scene.

  • 3 votes
#3.7 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:47 AM EDT
BK Lim

Boattrash:

Thunder Horse is located in MC 788 roughly 35 miles SSW of MC 252, it is inaccurate information such as this that sinks your credibility. Thunder Horse has been in production for @ 4 years, after the TLP was repaired from damage in either Katrina or Rita.

I do not see how that can affect the credibility and accuracy of my qualitative geological model and the forensic analysis. The well that blew up on 20 April was 720 ft NNW of Well A. There are many reasons BP had to cover up this fact and went on a merry-go-round cum magic show to dupe the world with a cap on the wrong well - Well A.

BK's work is bull@!$%#, he is doing no one any service. There is no shining light when you use made up facts. I can see where people not familar with the drilling process could mistake his distortions as fact, the truth is not one of his predicitions are based on fact. If you choose to believe this that is up to you, but someone pushing this off as anything other than what it is, which is his opinion based on his own imagination is being misleading at the least.

That is why my geological model was set up to predict the gaps in BP's official storyline. To save everybody's time, I will just quote 2.

1. When BP was still sticking with the "only one well" official crap at Well A, I had already predicted that there had to be at least 2 or possibly 3. Lately Dr Bea confirmed with WB that BP drilled from more than one location.

2. I predicted that DWH could not have been above Well A on 20 April 2010 - confirmed 9 days later by coast guard ops log later.

With regard to the "distortions as fact" please point that out for discussion. If you can't then I assume you had been sent here to make wild accusations without basis as others had before you.

Perhaps you prefer to live with Bogus Press's lies (for whatever reasons) but for the rest of us, we prefer the truth.

The real healing can only begin when the lying stops!

  • 9 votes
#3.8 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:41 PM EDT
LT student

boattrash

MC 788 roughly 35 miles SSW of MC 252 - repaired from damage in either Katrina or Rita

It was the massive Hurricane Dennis that churned through the Gulf of Mexico, damaged Thunder Horse platform's top deck listed into the water with a 30-degree incline.

MC block 778. (Redorbit.com)

  • 9 votes
#3.9 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:48 PM EDT
LT student

Boattrash

it is inaccurate information such as this that sinks your credibility

I disagree. The gist of BK's analysis still remain intact. Why?

"a wind may sway the branches but worry not if the tree trunk is firm" - Ancient saying

  • 10 votes
#3.10 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 2:50 PM EDT
BK Lim

LT student

I fully agree with you.You made your point.

  • 8 votes
#3.11 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 3:22 PM EDT
Reply
ChuckGreg

The mindset of oil, gas, drilling, and hydrocarbon exploration companies is selfish disregard for environment, human health, and the future of the planet. They have one object in mind and that is to make money and that is at the expense of all of us and our future offspring.

They truly are out of control. You might argue that in some ways they are in control of legislature, influence, congress, etc. My point is that they do what they want to, with whatever chemicals they want to and with reckless abandon for animal, human or plant life.

  • 8 votes
Reply#4 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:38 AM EDT
sctodd

We all may (humanity) realize from this disaster (and others) that neglecting the role of the ecosystem will result in collapse of our economies and compromise the sustainability of the human race. Our Earth produces all of our goods and services. The ecosystem and the economy are the same. We will be forced to change our ways drastically in order to survive.

  • 9 votes
Reply#5 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:37 AM EDT
The Catastrophist blog

"a wind may sway the branches but worry not if the tree trunk is firm"

A lot of the people commenting here are backwards-engineering their conclusions based on their emotional/moral response to the catastrophe...

LOL.You make a lot of assumptions with nothing to support your opinions.

...and nobody wants to engage in a serious discussion based on verifiable facts or reproducable arguments.

Critics should be welcomed and debated -- not mocked and vilified. Everyone who comments on here as if this was a popularity contest ought to be ashamed of themselves. I hope y'all sort your sh#t out and start to help BK Lim strengthen his argument by criticising it.

This is not entertainment.

  • 2 votes
Reply#6 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:38 PM EDT
BK Lim

A lot of the people commenting here are backwards-engineering their conclusions based on their emotional/moral response to the catastrophe...

TC, I have a bit of difficulty understanding what you mean by "backwards-engineering". Basically how do you backward engineer conclusions since conclusions change as one incorporates new info? It is also possible for one to revert back to previous conclusions that had been discarded on the basis of new evidence. Whether the conclusion evolves forward or backtrack to previously held views, it should be encouraged if the change is along the line of logical thinking. If one's conclusion does not change at all, either his/her conclusion had been so spot on to withstand the test of time & new evidence or simply too stubborn for whatever input.

Unlike man-made pathways, how does one backwards-engineer a conclusion (which is quite mind boggling as nobody actually can figure it out yet) as in a car design for example? The mind is simply too complex and variable even for the least intelligent. Pray enlighten.

...and nobody wants to engage in a serious discussion based on verifiable facts or reproducable arguments.

TC, if this is the standard you judge this blog-discussion by, then I think 90% of the blog-discussion in the internet space fails your test of "serious" and "verifiable facts". You can have reproducible test results but I doubt you can have "reproducible arguments" unless you are referring to mathematical or scientific equations. Arguments - by its definition is the exchange of diverging views or a set of reasons given in support of something. They are interactive and like conclusions, have no fixed pathways (and as Nyghtshayde said, there ain't no rules here). So how can you have reproducible arguments even between the same two persons at different times? In any case why do we need to have reproducible arguments (read as exactly the same) because (1) the arguments will be so boring (2) there is no need for further argument since it will be the same (3) it doesn't serve any purpose since the purpose of arguing it out is to either sway your opponent to your view or be convinced by your opponent or to produce new ideas/conclusions out of the argument. Do I make any sense arguing this?

Critics should be welcomed and debated -- not mocked and vilified.

TC we welcome genuine criticisms meant to help us strengthen our theories and guide us in the search for truth. Unlike other blogs, we are quite courteous in our debates and our clarifications are quite elaborate (such as this). However, I am very appreciative of my friends here for their firewall-protection of viruses (shills) sent here for the sole purpose of posting unsubstantiated comments meant to discredit me personally and not our theories, findings, analyses etc. On the contrary we do not mock and vilify. My friends do pose tough defences/support and if their arguments are genuine; often continued to be lively debates. Genuine critics could normally quote the relevant sections for a meaningful argument but not detractors who often pick on mundane and inconsequential mistakes to score points or to make sweeping statements. Detractors do not contribute and are too stubborn for any input (as I had discussed earlier). My valuable time could be better used to answer critics like you.

Everyone who comments on here as if this was a popularity contest ought to be ashamed of themselves. I hope y'all sort your sh#t out and start to help BK Lim strengthen his argument by criticising it.

This is not entertainment.

I can't help it if you want to think it that way but the objective of any blog is to be popular in their chosen field of interest. We do not go overboard in seeking popularity to the extent of prostituting our principles if that is what you mean. What is the point of blogging if you cannot share and disseminate your views and common interests? Naturally the popularity is a measure of that success. If our discussions can also be enjoyable and entertaining (eg the zombie well from the deep... jaws music) I see no harm.

Hope you are entertained.

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#6.1 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 9:38 PM EDT
LT student

The Catastrophist Blog

Critics should be welcomed and debated -- not mocked and vilified

-We are very focus on this BP oil spill.

But if anyone just came in to pose with a sweeping statement without basis - then right actions to put matters in the right perspective are warranted.

conclusions based on their emotional/moral response to the catastrophe.

-Of course high emotion is at play here. This is only reasonable to a person who has compassion for the sufferings endured by the residents in the GOM. People who have no emotions are probably one of those walking dead.

comments on here as if this was a popularity contest ought to be ashamed

y'all sort your sh#t out

-Such rude remarks are uncalled for. Who is vilifying who? There is no room for double standards here.

Do not pass judgement on our show of reasonable support for BK's work.

NO, there ain't any sh#t that needs sorting - perhaps yours, and I suggest you start from the top.

  • 10 votes
#6.2 - Sun Aug 29, 2010 9:45 PM EDT
LT student

People who have no emotions are probably one of those walking dead

-What I mean by the 'walking dead' here applies to Boattrash, Not the unfortunate and unsuspecting victims in the GOM.

  • 8 votes
#6.3 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:50 PM EDT
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ray.burchard

In the human’s ability to make analytical assessments of the unfamiliar and/or the unknown both the phenomenon and the noumenon assets are utilized in the conclusion of pure reason. The phenomenon is associated with his conjoined physical senses conjugated with his noumenal memory.

An educated evaluation is made when a preponderance of the evidence is established, if it smells like s@#$ and it looks like s@#$ it doesn’t require a taste to know that it is s@#$. In a situation involving oil producing companies profit morality, it doesn’t require a comprehensive knowledge of engineering procedure and/or engineering vernacular to comprehend the who and why. Just follow their industries proven track record. Does one really believe that BP, has or is, going to break with tradition.

  • 12 votes
Reply#7 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:37 AM EDT
BK Lim

A leopard never loses its spot and if anyone still believes the 20 April blowout was due to a series of bad calls just prior to the accident, then I am still a virgin.

  • 9 votes
Reply#8 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:02 AM EDT
yknotpot

Hey boattrash, what's funny to me but also very disturbing and sad is the fact that you and your family are among the ranks of the "walking dead" and you don't even realise it... don't you care about that? You all have been and are still being poisoned by the night spraying of corexit all over the gulf region... when you're lying in your death throws or see your family in their last gasps of life because of the corexit are you still going to ignorantly, pompously, and arrogantly defend BP?

  • 9 votes
Reply#9 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:13 PM EDT
Que2646

I'm not sure if they are "walking dead" but he and his family should be tested for 2-butoxyethanol exposure.

  • 9 votes
#9.1 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:02 PM EDT
yknotpot

Well Que2646, I was just hinting that chemical poisonings with such dangerous and toxic carcinogens and mutagenics, most especially when they are continual and unabated, always ends with untimely deaths. Is it not published somewhere that most if not all the Exxon Valdez clean up workers, who worked with corexit also, did not live past the age of 50?

  • 9 votes
#9.2 - Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:47 AM EDT
Que2646

Do you have a reference for that about the workers death? I might be able to use it in an article.

  • 7 votes
#9.3 - Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:52 AM EDT
yknotpot

Hey Que2646, I can't find what I read out there in the world wide web but with a bit of digging I found this link to a CNN report http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRrbqBEGxiw

There is, of course, a lot of stuff flying around concerning this but I suppose you can dig around and separate legitimate things from total crap... the truth remains, prolonged and constant exposure to those chemicals being used to disperse the oil are dangerous with immediate and long term health concerns. Good luck on the article. Peace.

  • 8 votes
#9.4 - Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:19 PM EDT
nyghtshayde

Do you have a reference for that about the workers death?

I do in my seeds some where.I'll have to search those references up for you though.

  • 8 votes
#9.5 - Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:29 PM EDT
storyartist

Look for articles published by Riki Ott, Marine Biologist from Cordoba, Alaska with expertise from the Exxon Valdez cleanup. She knew those workers, and is now an activist to help fishermen in the Gulf.

  • 9 votes
#9.6 - Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:09 PM EDT
BK Lim

yknotpot

when you're lying in your death throws or see your family in their last gasps of life because of the corexit are you still going to ignorantly, pompously, and arrogantly defend BP?

we have to clear the Corexit and BP's oil out of boattrash's head first.

checkout this link

http://europebusines.blogspot.com/2010/08/special-post-life-on-this-earth-just.html

  • 8 votes
#9.7 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 2:14 AM EDT
yknotpot

Hey BK Lim, first off, you're analysis and explanations are excellent work... what would it take to make it common knowledge in mainstream media? And if it does (and not meaning to be a fear monger) keep checkin' your six, especially given what happened to Mr Simmons... yes, I have read about Dr. Zangari's work and the one thing that keeps popping up in my mind is how BP screwed their own country up too in that they are going to see one horrible winter this year, they just don't realize it yet... not to mention the other terrible things that will soon manifest itself pretty soon for us here in the states as well... and who knows how far reaching this is gonna be in terms of global disasters... I ain't a doomsayer, heretic, or fanatic but I am zealous for Jesus of Nazareth and I know I have a safe haven in Him... and it ain't about being some kind of goody two shoes either, another erroneous thought common with Christianity these days... but anyhow, peace and keep it coming. I can't see how BP and Obama can keep trying to suppress the truth as the truth will soon become so obvious, it's not the "audacity of hope" but the audacity of pompous narcissistic arrogance.

  • 8 votes
#9.8 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 11:08 AM EDT
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yknotpot

and if anybody doesn't believe they are being poisoned check this article I seeded... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jerry-cope/no-safe-harbor-on-gulf-co_b_698338.html

But it's not just the poisoning that's disturbing. It's the nazi-ish tactics employed by BP and the oil industry to try to silence or mitigate the truth.

There are also youtube videos of town hall meetings with BP reps where it is common knowledge the response is this: spotters fly around, spot oil, make note of location, at night go out and spray corexit over the area... anywhere they see oil they don't go out to clean it up, they go out and spray it...

  • 9 votes
Reply#10 - Fri Sep 3, 2010 11:33 AM EDT
pedro mohr

The correct term arrived at appears to be Pompous Poisonous Narcistic nazi arrogance.This indicates a problem not easily solved.

  • 3 votes
Reply#11 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:08 PM EDT
BK Lim

I totally agree with you.

  • 3 votes
Reply#12 - Sun Oct 24, 2010 4:48 AM EDT
Danese

another one? Your account is full of good credit. What more can I say? 100% plus extra credit, A+. Nice (maeaning on point) graphics. Easy to read and understand.

  • 2 votes
Reply#13 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:22 PM EDT
BK Lim

Thanks Danese. You are very kind. May GOD bless you. ((((((((((Danese))))))))))

  • 2 votes
#13.1 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:30 PM EDT
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