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Crooked ROV coords scheme foiled again by the lowly bathymetry – part 6 AoMD

Sat Sep 25, 2010 7:08 PM EDT
environment, gulf-of-mexico, noaa, bp-oil-spill, blowout, transocean, gom, tod, dwh, bk-lim, crazy-horse, geohazards, mega-disaster, s20bc, mass-deception, macondo-a, well-a, well-b, zombie-well, thunder-horse
By BK Lim
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(23 Sept 2010 hydrocomgeo@gmail.com)

~~~~~~~Reuter Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:58pm EDT.

With a final shot of cement, BP Plc permanently "killed" its deep-sea well in the Gulf of Mexico that ruptured in April and unleashed the worst oil spill in U.S. history, the top U.S. spill official said on Sunday.

Some 153 days after the Macondo well ruptured, the U.S. government confirmed that BP had succeeded in drilling a relief well nearly 18,000 feet below the ocean surface and permanently sealing the well with cement.

"The Macondo 252 well is effectively dead," retired Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen, who has overseen the U.S. government's response, said in a statement. "We can now state, definitively, that the Macondo well poses no continuing threat to the Gulf of Mexico."

~~~~~~~~~~~quote ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A hollow victory speech indeed as even those who reported the official news do not really believe in the “good news” themselves. How credible can such a claim be, given the many lies that had been exposed? Could this “permanent killing” of the zombie well have been so simple and so fast to kill, all along? If it was, why had there been so much hesitation with so many postponements before this? Why could this “permanent killing” not be done sooner? Although the wish for a quick and permanent solution to this disaster is universal, it is just wishful thinking that such a disastrous runaway gushing well could be tamed so easily. But how are we to judge in the absence of verifiable technical data that BP holds so close to heart?

The answer is quite simple actually. The recently announced “permanent kill” is a farce and nothing more than a PR stunt. Otherwise, why was there a need to deceive? Why would there be a need for the crooked ROV coordinates scheme to create a confused picture of the oil and gas seeps and well locations?

The crooked ROV coordinates scheme is another component of BP’s Art of Mass Deception, foiled once again by the lowly bathymetry data. With the final piece of the jigsaw puzzle in place, BP’s cloak of mass deception is as exposed as the Emperor’s invisible golden clothes (Emperor’s new clothes – from Hans Christian Andersen’s Fairy Tale).

Figure 120-1 shows the plot of some ROVs’ position with the date and water depth. The water depth is obtained by adding the altitude and the depth of the ROV. Figure 120-2 gives the tabulated ROVs’ details extracted from video footage or captured images available in the public domain. If this obvious falsification of data can be found in almost all of the video footage reviewed (picked randomly), there must be a lot more ROV video footage with falsified coordinates.

1.Video proof of oil gushing out of casing at S20BC – the unreported third well that blew on 20 April 2010.

This and many other video footage publicly available from mid May till the first week of June, is the video proof of the oil gushing out of a sub-horizontal casing within a crater at S20BC location; the unreported and unapproved third well that blew on 20 April 2010. This is the only well (out of the 3 drilled) that reached the reservoir at 18,303 ft below mudline (bml).

This location was publicly revealed on 13 Aug 2010 in the diagrammatic illustration of the CSI of the Deepwater Horizon Blowout (Why-It-Could-Not-Have-Happened-As-Reported-By-Bp). From the forensic analysis, S20BC location was determined to be approximately 720ft NNW of Well A. The coastguard log confirmed the location 9 days later; giving it a more precise location of 714 ft NNW of well A.

In one of the first video footages of S20BC reviewed for the article (HERC 6 ROV video recorded from 06:09:42 - 06:11:26 hrs on 29 May 2010) the average coordinates of the ROV is E1,202,504 N10,432,303 with a water depth of 4,970 ±10 ft.

In figure 120-1, the water depths estimated from ROVs monitoring the “dispersant operation” at the vicinity S20BC vary from 4959 to 4965 ft. This agrees quite well with the contour value of 4950 – 4970 ft.

Although the ROV was visibly stationary there was periodic “jumps in the coordinates” either due to errors in reading the coordinates from the video or navigation data noise. The largest distance moved is 45ft in 2 secs (7m/s). Over the 2 minute video, the virtual position variation is 0 to 45 ft. This is the magnitude of random data scatter that can be expected although the physical movement would be much less and much slower than 3 ft/sec (1m/sec or 3.6km/hr). Movement is perceptible even at a low speed of 0.5ft/sec.

2.Deliberate Shifting of ROV position by applying offset and bearing

In any positioning system there is always some noise scatter. In (1) we established the noise scatter to be less than 50 ft with a fairly noisy ROV video recording. In some stable ROV videos, the noise scatter on the position is much less. Noise by definition should be random. Deliberate human interference either by changing one of the digit in the 7 digit Northing coordinate or by range (distance in feet) and bearing (angle in degrees) input; produces a distinct pattern of change. Most importantly, as there is no actual physical movement of the ROV, the physical attributes such as time, depth, altitude, heading and speed do not change. Although the realistic corresponding variation in these physical attributes can be altered as well, it is more difficult to do this online without a complicated computerized system or programme.

In the 25 seconds video recording (from 15:01:26 to 15:01:51 hrs) on 29 May, the adulterated position of the ROV moved from the vicinity of S20BC (video shows oil gushing out of the sub-horizontal casing) 730 ft to just 248 ft NNW of Well A. See the track for 29/5 4959. The ROV moved at a speed of 1.1 to 17.3 m/s (4 to 62.3 km/h) within this short interval of 25 seconds or a total distance of 483 ft. ROV cannot cruise at 60 km/h through water and still record the same image of the seabed crater with the oil gushing out of the same sub-horizontal casing. The possibility of successive “random noise positions” moving progressively towards Well A is practically zero. The only other possibility is - human intervention by range (distance in feet) and bearing (angle in degrees) input. Even if the coordinates are plotted in isolation, the depth of 4959ft in the video recording would fall short of 30 ft (see point 29/5 4959 at bathy chart).

In the review of a second video (9 seconds long) from 09:43:03 to 09:43:12 hrs on 31 May, the adulterated position of the ROV moved from the vicinity of S20BC 740 ft NNW to 200 ft SE of Well A. See the track for 31/5 4962. In this track, the Virtual Position of the ROV moved back towards S20BC in the reverse direction; at the same time maintaining the exact heading, depth and altitude. The maximum virtual speed was 260 m/s (936 km/h). Undoubtedly the automatic positioning of the ROVs had been manipulated. For what purpose, you might ask?

3. Falsified Northing coordinates – by changing first 4 digits from 1,430,xxx to 1,432,xxx (2,000 ft)

An easier method of fudging the ROVs’ position is to change the fourth digit in the 7 digit Northing coordinate. Changing the first to third digits, would plot the ROV position out of range. It would be difficult to recover the true position and prevent the position from jumping erratically if the 5th to 7th digits were manipulated.

It is no accident that the fourth digit was specifically chosen and changed from 0 to 2. It was deliberate and intended to confuse. And confuse it did for if one were to diligently plot all the ROVs’ positions, it would make no sense. But out of the apparent randomness, a forensic pattern did emerge if the ROVs’ positions were superimposed on the bathymetry.

On 11 May at 23:33:46 and 23:33:53 hrs, the HERC 6 ROV was recording a gas seep between S20BC and Well A (497 ft NNW of Well A) at a point along the NW-SE fault passing through both locations. Its initial position E1 202 659, N10 430 092 was 1,532 ft SSW of Well A. But the recorded water depth is only 4963 ft; almost 120 ft short of the 5080ft water depth at this southern position. The seabed seep also looked familiar with another image at approximately the mid-position between Well A and S20BC. When the coordinates were corrected to E1 202 659, N10 432 092, the gas seep point falls between the 4965ft and 5970ft contours; a perfect match with regard to the bathymetry.

Two other points at 03:45:57 hrs and 03:49:15 hrs on 19 July, showed the same matching results with the bathymetry. With the “adulterated” southern position (2000ft south), the depth of 4944.2ft and 4943.9ft seemed out of place between contour 5040-5050ft. By correcting 2000ft north, the depths matched with the 4950ft contour shown in the bathy chart.

The “correction of 2000ft north” on all the three points confirmed that the original ROVs Northing had been tampered with a 2000ft shift to the south. But apparently the recorded ROV depth and altitude were left unchanged. Perhaps they did not realise anyone would notice the little discrepancy in depth.

With the general bathymetry sloping 3º to 5º southwards, the water depth should increase not decrease. This proves once again the lowest denomination of the exploration world (the lowly Bathy) to be the mightiest of them all (The-Little-Mole-Hill-That-Is-Really-A-Mountain).

Conclusion

The two methods of manipulating position data (for whatever reasons) are fairly common practices that had been exposed time and time again, during the many QC review of past geohazards assessments. Many errant survey contractors used them for a variety of reasons. It just means that BP is no better than the errant survey contractors caught manipulating their data. Is it any wonder that disasters like BP’s oil spill occurs?

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BK Lim

It amazes me to no end that the head of NOAA and MMS could have allowed this "crooked coords scheme" pass thru unnoticed. Where is the check and balance?

  • 13 votes
Reply#1 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 7:18 PM EDT
yknotpot

It amazes me to no end

Me too... and still the open hole at S20BC pukes, yes? I'm wondering what's comin' next and how bad it's gonna be...

Here's a link to a video that supports the crooked coordinates theme, I posted this in another thread somewhere else (not sure if you've seen this) but feel it's important enough to post again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oaf998FwQVI (the music is a bit much)

  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:49 AM EDT
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dsifysDeleted
bore-head007

!

  • 6 votes
Reply#3 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:49 PM EDT
BK Lim

((((bore-head007))))

  • 6 votes
#3.1 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:03 AM EDT
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sctodd

Your right. There is a discrepancy in the altitude for the footage on July 19th. There is a lot of activity on that footage. It looks like a gusher with rov lights out to me. Are rovs equipped with infrared cameras?

  • 7 votes
Reply#4 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:05 PM EDT
BK Lim

Possible sctodd. They could dim out the display as it would not affect the recorded part. Most systems work on "read after write" principle. It records first, read and then display (stream out to the web). They can do what they like to the display without affecting the written to disk copy.

  • 8 votes
#4.1 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:02 AM EDT
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yuanfeng13Deleted
Danese

nice graphics:)

  • 7 votes
Reply#6 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
BK Lim

((((Danese))))

  • 7 votes
#6.1 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:03 AM EDT
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ed2003

On a related note:

WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- A new theory about the origin of the blowout of a BP PLC's (BP, BP.LN) oil well emerged on Sunday when an outside investigator said that the problem could potentially be traced to cracks that formed in an underwater formation.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2010/09/26/probe-bp-blowout-raises-possibility-cracks/

  • 7 votes
Reply#7 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:42 PM EDT
BK Lim

ED, Thanks for the link. We should not be surprised by this.

I am working on the premise that there are 2 shallow faults; one E-W passing close to both Well A and B and another NNW-SSE close to S20BC. If you came across videos that do not have well-heads but just gas plumes, please give us the links or email me directly. TIA.

  • 9 votes
#7.1 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:44 AM EDT
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W. T. Marshall

 

I'm following with great interest this serial of revealing documents about BP oil spill.

The only thing I can think of is that America goes to live at first hand what has been experienced  by the people of Bhopal, India ( Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster ), who, 26 years later, still is waiting for due compensations and that justice point to the real culprits of the tragedy they suffered in 1984.

 

  • 8 votes
Reply#8 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:19 PM EDT
BK Lim

Marshall, thanks for your concern.

BP too would to cover up totally if it was not compelled by law to release these information and if there had been no public pressure to find the truth. BP had no choice but to distort the truth and resort to mass deception. These documents only tell part of the whole story. Why is there a need for such deceits if the blunders leading to the blow-out had been innocent of wilful intent?

  • 8 votes
#8.1 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:16 AM EDT
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eth-2299740

BK:

Then these 2 recent videos would match well a?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flkp_LcptGQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NqwPgBOUbI

  • 8 votes
Reply#9 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:12 AM EDT
eth-2299740

First video shows well clearly leaking - more PR stunt?

Also displays mc252 #1 - a criticism from the past as to why the wells were not referred to this way :)

  • 8 votes
#9.1 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:06 AM EDT
sctodd

I'm getting removed by user when I click those links.

  • 8 votes
#9.2 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:29 AM EDT
eth-2299740

sctodd:

You are correct. I just viewed these this morning.

I got them from this link - first comment in comment section.

http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/oil-spill-toxicologist-like-dissolving-bone-muscles-face-video

I am having problems with both videos.

The gist of video was depth over 5,000, maybe around 5030, and well is still leaking.

The second video was coords weren't changing as ROV was moving, and then coords would change apparently for no reason????

  • 8 votes
#9.3 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:09 AM EDT
BK Lim

eth

Sorry I have not been able to get online uninterrupted. Yes I get "removed by user" as well.

The gist of video was depth over 5,000, maybe around 5030, and well is still leaking.

If the water depth is >5000 ft to 5030, then the location is south of Well A or B, give take 10 ft. When was the video dated and did you see the BOP or Seabed? What was the altitude?

The second video was coords weren't changing as ROV was moving, and then coords would change apparently for no reason????

If the video scene was changing, and the ROV Coords remain stationary, then either the nav feed is off or or being interrupted by operator. So when the ROV update coords, it either jumps to the next true location or the altered offset location. Again it would be interesting to check the dates.

  • 8 votes
#9.4 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:27 PM EDT
eth-2299740

Bk

9/26 (still leaking) and 9/3 - One video was before the bop removal, and the other was after the bop removal.

I noticed these videos because the first one had the depth - not coords, the second had the coords, but not depth. Not sure about altitude - remember noting was small - something like 19.

The one w/o the bop was a very long well head and no seabed, which I though was strange since I had long been led to believe the bop sat atop the seabed.

If I think of more will let you know.

  • 7 votes
#9.5 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:57 PM EDT
eth-2299740

Since I have not been following what is happening on the videos, the bop one may be a replaced bop, since the 9/26 one was yesterday :) Meaning it can't be a before and after pictures as I stated :) Although I did see a video (uploaded by same person) with before and after pictures of bop removal, so this is what I remember also. Sorry if I'm confusing you.

  • 7 votes
#9.6 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:14 PM EDT
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eth-2299740

BK:

You may already have these but if not here are a few more pics of the bop to add to your collection that are clearly very confusing:

http://img695.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=shrpic1.jpg

1203030 104308 dpt 1523?

1203406 104307 dpt 1525?

http://projectavalon.net/The_BP_Deepwater_Horizon_Macondo_Well_Blowout_and_what_we_are_facing_in_the_Gulf.pdf

  • 7 votes
Reply#10 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:47 AM EDT
BK Lim

ETH, the easting coord should be 7 digit and the Northing - 8 digit.

E 1,202,xxx

N 10,43x,xxx

1,203,030 N10,430,8xx dpt 1523?

1,203,406 N10,430,7xx dpt 1525?

I kinda suspect the last 2 digit had been chopped off or not displayed. 1523 - is in metres - should convert to 4997 ft. I am not having my multiple - 32inch LCD screen for mapping, so I am leaving the charting out for the moment.

  • 8 votes
#10.1 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:59 PM EDT
eth-2299740

BK

Yes, I probably chopped them off because I didn't want to type in all the numbers :) My question marks are because I wasn't sure if the dpt numbers were the depth or not, but I see you can readily convert them.

You can see the images I posted online with the complete numbers.

  • 7 votes
#10.2 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:19 PM EDT
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etva

Great article BK. Thanks for continuing to keep us aware.

  • 8 votes
Reply#11 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:47 AM EDT
BK Lim

etva

I will. There are a lot more on the errors. I keep getting offtrack. Should I write more on these errors/fabrication so that others looking at those ROV video can look out for more of these or should I write about the interpretation of these videos. For example one of the video was tracking gas seeps along a fault. Another one was looking at a cemented crust-surface - obviously from previous cement on the seabed.

  • 9 votes
#11.1 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:43 PM EDT
etva

For me, it's your interpretation of the videos, which include pointing out the errors. You have the experience I lack to translate into words what my eyes are seeing, and fit that description into the big picture.

  • 8 votes
#11.2 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:58 PM EDT
BK Lim

Okay I will do that with video capture of specific screen to illustrate. Kinda busy with work at the moment.

  • 9 votes
#11.3 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:01 PM EDT
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eth-2299740

BK

Don't know if you are still engaged in a discussion about whether bp management is at fault for this fiasco, but apparently some emails have been released recently that shows just that. This conversation from drilling club might interest you:

"Yesterday at 11:51pm, ov wrote

I was pretty down on the lead drilling engineer after watching the first round of inquiry. Then I read some of the emails before this event where the engineers were advocating for a tie back casing string, and were over ruled by upper management. Now, I think it was the cowboys at the top that screwed it all up, and I have sympathy for the engineers.

Ov,

I think you're quite right. It's one of the problems with the big corporations (been there, done that, no desire to return). There's a heirarchy. And if you're staff, and are thinking about your pension plan, you have to bow to the desires of your superiors, just like in the army. The big boys can spend millions on HSE campaigns trotting out platitudes regarding 'teamwork' and saying 'stop', but it doesn't work like that in reality.

Way back earlier on, one of my messages on this site was censored because I mentioned the name of the author of one of those in-house BP emails which have now emerged into the public domain. I think those emails speak for themselves, though. The further one goes down the engineering ladder, the more one sees serious concern about the well's architecture and the operational and safety details.

The further one goes up that tree, the more one sees budget-driven decisions being made. This stuff is out in the open, now, and one doesn't have to be a genius to draw some very obvious conclusions from such evidence."

http://drillingclub.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=wellcontrol&action=display&thread=4840&page=66

  • 8 votes
Reply#12 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:39 AM EDT
BK Lim

ETH

Do you have those emails?

Don't know if you are still engaged in a discussion about whether bp management is at fault for this fiasco, but apparently some emails have been released recently that shows just that. This conversation from drilling club might interest you:

There is no doubt BP's top management is at fault. Notice how the other oil companies are not vocal at all. The issue is very simple. Who is at fault in the event of an accident - the Boss or the driver? The Boss who ordered his driver to reach a destination in a super-fast reckless manner; or the driver who was trying his level best in complying with the order. In my articles, I showed only the evidence available from public domain. Already it shows the reckless mismanagement.

From my own experience, forewarning of a disaster is like trying to stop an express train on a collision course. They won't stop or even slow down the train just because your analysis of a potential disaster. After the disaster, all evidence (emails, analyses etc) forewarning of the disaster will be removed so that it will appear as an accident. This is what I am most worried about. The reason we drive carefully is because we have a conscience and the risk of getting hurt. Imagine if there is a magic car that guarantees you won't get hurt no matter what; with a law that protects the driver even if the driver is at fault. This is what is happening to the oil industry. Their HSE policies apply only to the lower employees; not the elite directors and executives driving the exploration programmes.

  • 8 votes
#12.1 - Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:59 PM EDT
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LT student

well spoken BK. Thanks for a great article.

  • 7 votes
Reply#13 - Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:59 AM EDT
eth-2299740

BK

http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/08/bp_manager_boss_both_ignored_w.html

BP boss, managers both ignored warnings......

One of the visitors was Sims, BP's manager for Gulf of Mexico oil drilling operations. He's the one who testified Thursday that he ignored an e-mail message in which another engineer urged the team in charge of the well to use more centralizers, in accordance with models run by cementing contractor Halliburton.

Halliburton attorney Don Godwin reacted by accusing Sims of lying.

Sims also said he never noticed that Halliburton's modeling showed a severe risk of gas flow. BP lawyers have contended this week that the warning wasn't very clear and buried in a graphic on page 18 of the report...

Time is money on oil rigs, and Sims, confronted Thursday with a report on well costs that he and others reviewed just before the accident, acknowledged that money had indeed played a role in the company's decisions.

Gross negligence/incompetence?

  • 6 votes
Reply#14 - Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:22 PM EDT
BK Lim

ETH

You won't believe some of the documentary evidence I had seen on lying thru their teeth. Incompetence or negligence are too kind.

  • 7 votes
#14.1 - Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:21 PM EDT
eth-2299740

LOL - waaaay to kind.

In this case ignoring the emails/warnings cost people their lives, children their fathers and so on and so forth.

BTW - Since when is ignoring something a defense? In that case everyone can ignore something unpleasant and escape consequences, even if it is your responsibility.

  • 7 votes
#14.2 - Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:44 AM EDT
BK Lim

ETH

I have doc evidence that "white collar" crimes are waaaay too extensive for modern society to sustain itself. The crash will have to come sooner or later - worldwide. Even the institution you have faith in all this while, are tainted. It is waaaaay too unbelievable.

  • 7 votes
#14.3 - Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:32 AM EDT
eth-2299740

BK

Any links?

Here's something that might interest you:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/mortgage-gate-just-got-wierder-counterfeit-court-summons#comments

"With each passing day, the revalations in mortgage-gate, which has for now implicated GMAC and JPMorgan in foreclosing on mortgages without titles, and will likely soon proceed through the entire mortgage origination industry like wildfire as more and more of those foreclosed upon begin to challenge the process (we wonder just what the statute on limitations for retroactive challenges is), are getting increasingly more bizarre. Today, courtesy of Alan Grayson's office we discover that not only are servicers foreclosing on mortgages to which nobody apparently owns the title, but that servicers, representing such reputable firms as Deutsche Bank National Trust Company, are willing to counterfeit court summons in their pursuit of a clean and efficient foreclosure mill. As Grayson's office points out: "Apparently what’s happening is that private process servicer companies may not be serving people with summons, and are simply counterfeiting the documents so they can keep the fees without doing the work. That means that you could theoretically be foreclosed on without ever knowing there was even a foreclosure case against you." What it also means, is that banks may have been participants in this outright criminal judicial fraud,"

This along with all the market shenanigans are telltale signs that you are ever so correct.

  • 5 votes
#14.4 - Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:58 AM EDT
BK Lim

ETH

OMG I was only forecasting from my own experience - fabricating calibration reports, medical certificates, authorised installation of banned environmentally destructive halon systems, unsafe vessels being issued seaworthy certificates, oil companies closing their eyes to all these frauds, data fraud etc etc - the list endless.

My forecast was - if all these are happening out-of-control in such a well regulated oil industry, then I suppose it must be happening elsewhere - especially the high wheeling Dealing Financial sector. Not many people read their court summons properly to detect the fraud. Just as not many people read BP's bathy chart to see the frauds committed.

I guess the rules of similarity applies.

  • 6 votes
#14.5 - Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:19 PM EDT
eth-2299740

I find myself chuckling because these TBTF's can do everything and anything they want with impunity - however they couldn't save themselves from themselves.

I compare this to playing russian roulette with 1 bullet and continuing to pull the trigger over and over thinking it can't happen to you.

Well there is a quadrillion derivatives market out there - that these mortgages are part of and when reality hits home worldwide what this means .... justice will finally be served - no one will be spared, the bullet will go off right into the head of the beast.

Oh well.

  • 5 votes
#14.6 - Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:15 PM EDT
BK Lim

what goes around comes around.

  • 5 votes
#14.7 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 1:54 AM EDT
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bore-head007

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpqx_ufSaQk

  • 4 votes
Reply#15 - Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:34 AM EDT
msegk

Life After The Oil Crash's forum follows your blog with intense interest. I linked to this particular story and esteemed member tuttlet commented:

"Interesting that BKLim's plots appear to show ROV activity around the point he marks as S20BC which is neither Well A or B. The point on my map that I marked as the BOP was picked as the average of where the ROV's were hanging out at the time (mid-June). It does appear to match the coordinates for what BP had designated as the place where they were going to put Well A - 10431617,1202804.

It seems necessary to determine the accuracy and repeatability of the ROV coordinates for any conclusions to be drawn. Too many times the coordinates jumped around mid-dive. What are they based on? Where was the reference? How is the reference set, and by whom? Can references be altered, mis-set, or coordinates faked, and if so, was this actually happening?
Also, do we have a firm indication of whether BP actually drilled at the location they gave for their wells. I heard mention that sometimes these surveys aren't actually followed as written.

I'm all for conspiracies, but we need to know the basic operation of the coordinate reference system before being able to be conclusive. It does seem that the BOP was not always at the same location, and I'm glad to see BKLim investigating this further."

Thank you so much for making such an intense effort to clarify the facts!

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Reply#16 - Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:03 PM EDT
BK Lim

Too many times the coordinates jumped around mid-dive. What are they based on? Where was the reference? How is the reference set, and by whom? Can references be altered, mis-set, or coordinates faked, and if so, was this actually happening?

Msegk, thank you for commenting and spreading the message. Most underwater positioning devices are acoustic systems of transmitting signals from base transducers at the ship's hull to the roving transponders (receivers) on the ROV. They are very accurate. Basically they measure distance (range) and bearing (by triangulations). these ranges and bearings are then added to the vessel's reference position to give the absolute position (as if they are themselves receiving the position from the satellite). See some diagrams and explanation on this site. there are many others.

http://www.km.kongsberg.com/ks/web/nokbg0240.nsf/AllWeb/FF57C18363FAD917C1256A7E002B9F2F?OpenDocument

The ROV coords can be altered in many ways mainly in the integration navigation programs since the software normally allows for setting up the various parameters.

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#16.1 - Fri Oct 1, 2010 1:53 AM EDT
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eth-2299740

BK

Just ran across that picture that I mentioned earlier on depth (5030) - you can find my capture of it here:

http://img827.imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img827/8862/depth5038.jpg&via=mupload

Or several of them here further down the page.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread587933/pg258

Depth was 5038 and altitude different than what I said because of people doing different captures different dates probably.

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Reply#17 - Wed Oct 6, 2010 11:11 AM EDT
eth-2299740

BTW - well is still leaking according to the website I posted above

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Reply#18 - Wed Oct 6, 2010 11:12 AM EDT
eth-2299740

BK

My spam as usual - If you look at all the pictures on this page starting with the one by Ektar all depth ranges in 5000 + range - up to 5038. Are they working at a different location now?

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread587933/pg258

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Reply#19 - Wed Oct 6, 2010 11:18 AM EDT
BK Lim

eth

Difficult to say because I cannot see the coords. We are looking at Saipem ROV now. They could have an offset on the depth / alt reading either calibration error or on purpose to throw us off. If they really want to make it difficult for us, they could add 40ft to certain ROVS or minus 40ft on others. The offset can be logged somewhere for them to recover the real depths later on.

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#19.1 - Wed Oct 6, 2010 4:28 PM EDT
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