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ROV evidences confirming Worst Case Geological Scenario in BP's Macondo Disaster- Part IIa of Root Causes.

Wed Oct 6, 2010 3:21 PM EDT
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By BK Lim
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- 5 Oct 2010 hydrocomgeo@gmail.com

When The Root Causes Of BP’s Oil Spill & The Imminent Threat Of More Oil Related Disasters (Part1) was first published on 8 July 2010, 71 days after the 20 April 2010 blowout, I had feared that the root causes were very much deeper than the flawed site decisions, poor field performance or the infringements and improprieties committed at site, that were being paraded in the post-disaster investigation. Part III of the root causes describes the human greed, unscrupulous profiteering and professional rot that had set into the oil industry; rendering our geohazards site surveys totally ineffective in preventing adamantly reckless exploration managers from drilling into such high risk locations as the Macondo wells.

Part II describes the geological reasons why the Macondo wells were destined to end up as a mega-disaster and why the “genie could not be popped back into the bottle”. The high drilling risks evident from the seafloor morphology alone, were so obvious BP’s geohazards specialists could not have possibly missed them; short of being willfully negligent. It was as if BP had intentionally set its own course on a one-way journey to destruction. The 3 well locations (Well A, Well B and S20BC) were located in the worst possible geohazardous conditions to drill into a huge high-pressured oil reservoir. A mega disaster was inevitable even if the best efforts by the drilling crew managed to overcome the myriad of problems posed by the nightmare wells from hell. Even the best field performance, safety standards, advanced drilling technology and well design would be no match for such a disastrously monstrosity BP had awakened from the deep.

In this Part IIa of the series, we begin by presenting ROV evidences that confirm our worst fears; the worst case geological scenario as illustrated by my qualitative geological model in Why Is BP’s Macondo Blowout So Disastrous & Beyond Patch Up first written on 25 July 2010.

Even though BP did their best to distort the truth and fudged up the ROV coordinates, the ROV video footages are still useful evidences, albeit qualitatively. As the geological framework of the giant jig-saw puzzle had already been proven and set right, the ROV evidences merely fill in the data gaps. Our forensic investigation of the BP’s oil disaster was thus not led astray by the fudged ROV coordinates or other distorted truths deliberately planted by BP.

The following analyses are not presented in any particular order of events as ROV video footages are still being analysed. The purpose is however, to illustrate snap shot interpretation of the seabed or events that collectively corroborate with the geological framework in building a true picture of the disaster. Readers are encouraged to reexamine the various ROV video clips on Youtube to judge for themselves the legitimacy of my analyses and reasoning (based on basic fundamental geology and physics).

It is basic human instinct to lie to cover one’s crime just as one would refuse to yield information that is self-incriminating. Does this answer why BP refused to release the early video footages of the disaster, especially the ones observing the BOP at the blown well from 21 April till after the second explosion at 10:22hrs 22 April 2010?

Figure 121-1 shows the famous snap shot of the robotic arm from the ROV attempting to shut down the inclined BOP at 01:08:54hrs on 22 April 2010. The water depth (4926 ±10 ft) was suspiciously short of Well A’s promulgated depth of 4992 (±10) ft by 66±10ft. The reported second explosion 5000ft underwater could not have been observed at sea surface. It could only be observed visually at depth via the ROV video feed. See Conclusive Evidence Well A Is Not The Well That Blew Up On 20 April - Part 3 Aomd.

This means the video footage of the second underwater explosion exists. It also means that the video footage of the second underwater explosion is highly incriminating to BP. Is withholding incriminating information not a crime by itself?

Why were the ROV coordinates taken off in that snap shot of that BOP on 22 April 2010? If no coordinates had been set for that ROV, how could the ROV operator maneuver the ROV to the well location 5000 ft below sea surface? Without coordinates it would be like driving in total darkness without headlights. How else could the BP’s company man inform the coastguard that the burning DWH had “moved approx 714 ft NE” from well A location? 714 ft is not an approximation that could have been estimated (to that degree of accuracy) from any of the vessels’ radar in the area. It had to be calculated from coordinates. Where else could the coordinates be obtained except from that ROV attempting to shut down the BOP?

There is no prize for guessing how many discrepancies (lies or inconsistencies) can be found in the few preceding paragraphs. If BP cannot be trusted to tell the truth even in this short time frame, 2 days after the disaster can BP be trusted in the months after, when BP’s survival hinges on the brink; pending the full magnitude of the disaster?

Yet prominent men of importance all around the world, heads of government and global corporations openly applauded BP for their “conscientious efforts” in finally killing well A for good on 19 Sept 2010? The defender of a Liar is also a Liar!

Quote from http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/may/13/video-deepwater-horizon-oil-spill

After considerable pressure from the media and government agencies, BP tonight finally released a brief video showing for the first time the gushing stream of oil and gas leaking from the Deepwater Horizon oil rig into the Gulf of Mexico. The video released by BP shows oil spewing from a broken pipe 5,000 feet (1,500m) below the surface. The stream of crude oil is interspersed with lighter-coloured natural gas. The video was first posted on YouTube on Wednesday night by the Deepwater Horizon Incident Joint Information Centre, which said: "This video is from the larger of two existing leaks on the riser. This leak is located approximately 460 feet from the top of the blowout preventer and rests on the sea floor at a depth of about 5,000 feet."

~~~~~~~~~end of quote ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The fact that BP had to be forced to release the first ROV video on 11 May 2010, 20 days after the disaster first struck, speaks for itself the dishonesty of “supposedly honourable men” like Tony Hayward and his exploration managers.

Quote from BP Caught Lying While Deepwater Horizon Burns Part 5 Aomd

I have commented many times that the investigation into the disaster is the biggest joke of the century. In any financial disaster, the CEO and the ones most likely to be involved in the scandal would have been sacked or at least suspended pending investigation. In the BP's oil spill disaster, not only were the companies under investigation placed in charge of recovering the evidence, the CEO and all those who had recklessly driven the exploratory well to a disastrous blow-out, are still in control and have more than 4½ months to shred every piece of incriminating evidence.

~~~~~~~~~end of quote ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The “oil leaks” must have been far more extensive, more complicated and uncontrollable than just 3 simple leaks on the twisted and fallen 5000ft riser itself as reported by BP. It is incredible how BP could even think that intelligent humans could even fall for this absurd lie. Yet incredibly, the government of the most powerful nation on earth did. One must not underestimate the persuasive power of money and vested business interests.

The release of this first video footage raised more questions than answers. If this leak (the larger of the two leaks on the fallen 5000ft long riser) is 460 ft from the BOP, then there could not be another leak on the riser further away from the BOP since the video clearly shows the “riser” (looks more like a severed casing of the well head) being severed at one end. More importantly, why would the “riser” that had fallen onto the seabed be buried at the bottom of a crater that seems to be at least 1 metre deep? Why would the “broken riser” assuming it was bent, twisted and sheared before breaking, still maintain a solid circular shape with sharp angular cuts at its open end? It is so inconsistent with the highly bent leaking riser at the top of the BOP? The fact that there is a slight visible bend on the “riser” suggests 2 important points:

  1. the “riser” at S20BC leak point is not made of the same material as the “flattened and bent riser” still connected to the BOP.
  2. the angular cut in the “riser” at S20BC leak point, had been made manually; not flattened and broken off by the impact of the fall through 5000ft of water column.

Since the oil appeared to be freely flowing out of the open rounded end of the severed “riser”, any leak closer to BOP would have been very insignificant to be worthy of mention. In The Art Of Mass Deception Part 1 Ballistic Analysis Of Dwh Riser Wreck and many other videos of this major leak at S20BC location, the “riser” is clearly severed on the southern end (see video, heading 117.1º with casing dipping sub-horizontally northwards). Thus the oil had to be flowing from the north to south. But Well A where the “BOP was supposed to have been standing intact after the second underwater explosion” is 714ft to the south of this leak crater (S20BC). How can oil and gas be flowing from the BOP at Well A 714 ft south, when there is no “riser” connection from Well A to this leak location at S20BC?

In any case, if the oil was flowing out of the “BOP at Well A through the riser 460ft away” (as claimed by BP) would it not be much simpler and more cost effective, to cut off the riser at the top of the BOP at Well A where the LRMP cap was to be placed on anyway? Either the world must be crazy to accept this huge BP’s lie or expediency simply knows no bounds.

In this video dated 23 May where the ROV was injecting dispersant into the oil gushing out of the “riser” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=590-3CAGpYU&feature=related) it is very clear the “casing with the gushing oil” is no “riser that has been covered with sediment”. It is a casing that had been bent over and manually cut. Now what casing strings would be rising out of the ground other than from BP’s blown-out well? The “sediment” in the vicinity of the crater is no natural clay sediment but a thick layer of heavy drilling mud. Natural clayey sediment forms a colloidal suspension on disturbance. That is why the water is always murky and never clear at mud flats and river mouths heavy with sediment. Heavy drilling mud however settles down quickly leaving the water clear as shown in the ROV video.

Natural light clayey sediment would have long been dispersed by the intense ROV activities around the crater. Only heavy drilling mud could have remained in-situ. One must again wonder why would BP dump hundreds if not thousands of barrel of expensive drilling mud just to cover a “sunken riser” so that the dispersant can be carried out more complicatedly?

Replacing a surficial clay layer with heavy drilling mud cannot be done overnight or over a few days. Imagine a lake with a few metres of soft clay layer. Dumping a few hundred barrels of heavy drilling mud into it would create a small mole hill within a wide depression instead of uniformly replacing the original clay layer. In order to have such a uniform replacement, the heavy drilling mud must be “leaking out at a higher pressure than the existing hydrostatic pressure” from beneath the surficial clay layer. Is this not another conclusive evidence that BP had been drilling in the vicinity of the “unreported illegal well” (S20BC) weeks before the blowout occurred on 20 April 2010?

Where did the reported massive drilling mud losses go to? Obviously, they must have found their way up to the seabed in the vicinity of the “unreported illegal well (S20BC)” during drilling. The presence of thick layers of drilling mud at the seafloor also confirmed our worst fears; that the fragile geological condition in the Macondo prospect is indeed broken.

Having established BP’s need to lie incessantly since day 1 of the disaster, we can now interpret the ROV video with a clearer logic, free from the totally obfuscating influence of The Oil Drum (TOD).

…. to be continued in part IIb of Root Causes.

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BK Lim

I am continuing from where I left off on the BP story in July. This and the next two posting will be on the interpretation of the ROV video. Basically the "Genie" cannot be popped back into the bottle.

  • 12 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Oct 6, 2010 3:27 PM EDT
Larry Crehore

BK keep it coming. I enjoy every posting. The information is very note worthy to say the least. Sooner or later the world is going to have to see the lies the government and BP have been telling in efforts to minimizes their responsibility.

Thanks for all your work on this event.

  • 13 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Oct 6, 2010 4:30 PM EDT
BK Lim

You are very welcomed.

  • 12 votes
#2.1 - Wed Oct 6, 2010 4:34 PM EDT
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etva

Well done BK. Thanks!

  • 11 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Oct 6, 2010 6:27 PM EDT
BK Lim

((((((((etva))))))))

  • 8 votes
#3.1 - Wed Oct 6, 2010 6:42 PM EDT
etva

((((((((BK)))))))))

LOL -- You seem in a good mood today. Do you know something we don't? (GRIN)

  • 8 votes
#3.2 - Wed Oct 6, 2010 6:45 PM EDT
BK Lim

No, did not realise that. No in fact I received some really bad news about LHC. Should check it out.

1st extinction event: Leaked CERN documents state LHC has 70% chances to produce strangelets on 11/9

  • 8 votes
#3.3 - Wed Oct 6, 2010 7:03 PM EDT
Larry Crehore

I'll never look at my refrigerator the same way again. Reading that almost gave me a head ache.

  • 8 votes
#3.4 - Wed Oct 6, 2010 7:21 PM EDT
BK Lim

me too. why do they want to tinkle with things with exponential consequences? what could they possibly get out of them?

  • 8 votes
#3.5 - Wed Oct 6, 2010 7:34 PM EDT
Larry Crehore

The very same mind set that brought us that wonderful Atom Bomb prevails today. No regard for how the end product could be used or if it is even safe. Let's forge ahead and we'll deal with the fall out later. Scary isn't it nothing has changed.

  • 8 votes
#3.6 - Wed Oct 6, 2010 7:44 PM EDT
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nyghtshayde

Keep up the good work BK.I may be temporarily busy,but I'm trying to catch up every chance I get.Thanks for being there.

I have learned through bitter experience the one supreme lesson: to conserve my anger, and as heat conserved is transmitted into energy, even so our anger controlled can be transmitted into a power...

- Mahatma Gandhi

  • 8 votes
Reply#4 - Wed Oct 6, 2010 9:47 PM EDT
BK Lim

Very true nyghtshayde. We miss you on NV. With NV supporters & many others we will continue "digging to keep the issues alive" in your noted absence. Not to worry.

  • 8 votes
#4.1 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 7:50 AM EDT
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mightyj

BK- That was an amazing amount of information and the video evidence was an excellent find. This is hard hitting citizen journalism and deserving of more attention than it has been getting. JJ

  • 9 votes
Reply#5 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 3:07 AM EDT
BK Lim

mightyj

There is a lot more coming on the rov evidence, especially the ones showing the direct evidence of shallow faults.

  • 7 votes
#5.1 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 7:39 AM EDT
eth-2299740

BK

Person posted this believes is a fault line with resulting seafloor subduction. I don't know what to make of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFFv6_2XL3w&feature=player_embedded

found here:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread587933/pg257 by stealthykat

  • 6 votes
#5.2 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 11:10 AM EDT
BK Lim

Eth

Just a quick answer as I don't have time to check it out properly yet but you can rule out seafloor subduction on this scale. Do you have the aftermath rov video of the same spot? It would be the easiest and most sure way of ruling out the fault / landslide. Even the smallest fault would leave a scar and it is very very rare to video record a fault in action. I have not seen one myself.

Earthquakes yes but a localised fault no. In essence any landslide is a very localised circular slip fault but we do not class it that way. Now that could be recorded.

If there is none of the above, I guess it would be an optical illusion of the ROV scrapping the seafloor. I will check it out later.

  • 7 votes
#5.3 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 4:20 PM EDT
BK Lim

Eth

I just had a detailed look at the 2 rov Video, looks like the ALT was stuck at 100 (1.00 ft or 100 ft??) and the COG or Hdg (???) stationary at 130 or 150 deg. Difficult to make out the numbers but apparent they do no change much.

So the Rov did not look like it was scrapping the sea floor. Also if you look carefully the soil bulge developed towards the metallic cylindrical skid, forming a distinct flat (looks like a crescent depression) around the skid just before "hell broke loose". If the rov skid was scrapping the floor, the soil would bulge at the skid first.

Also the camera was facing 130 / 150 deg. So the slight crest is consistent with the slope at an angle (left) to the direction of camera. (If the camera was facing north the crest should be on the right - stating this so you know the effect of orientation). Earlier the seafloor looked disturbed but generally flat without the crest. I see the coords did not change much - so very little ROV movement.

Now the interesting part. Remember this is a mole hill which I think is caused by mud building up - in other words a mud-volcano. Thus the gas and oil could built up from below (thru the fault) above the ROV or further downhill. If above the surficial layer swelled and eventually slide down. Alternatively the gas & oil built up further downhill and caused a mini landslide. Either way, the seafloor would be seen moving laterally (camera effect) downhill. After the release of gas and oil, the mud - debris will flatten (not a major landslide to cause a huge scar) and the seafloor will look generally flat with wrinkles again. The ROV operators must have been observing this phenomenon on a regular basis. Thus they knew when to switch on the lights to record this.

The first time probably scared the lights out of them but after the first few, they are probably expert watchers - just like those geysers watchers at Yellow stone Park - watching and timing the Old faithful.

Hope this answers your question, ETH. I have left something for TOD to bark about if they are smart enough. One reader pasted my last posting on TOD and got barred. They have also disengage any search on my name. Is there an official ban on me?

  • 6 votes
#5.4 - Fri Oct 8, 2010 7:58 PM EDT
eth-2299740

Thanks BK

I've watched several of these videos and other "explosions" posted at the abovetopsecret website and other places and am sure many were in fact "real" events and not ROV movement disturbing the seabed. So you are correct in assessing they are used to these.

As a matter of fact one time I just happened to turn on one of the ROV cameras and to my shock a huge explosion happened that had no explanation for other than some build up underneath of seabed of "whatever".

I don't post over at abovetopsecret but am tempted to because this is just the kind of analysis they are looking for since they are as baffled as I am when I see this.

Thanks again.

  • 6 votes
#5.5 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 11:13 AM EDT
BK Lim

eth

Our ability to analyse and predict human behaviour, works as a double edge sword. Those on the dark side, used it to their unfair advantage in the rat race, to cheat, to profiteers and to make quick huge profits. This BP's Oil spill is the living proof of this "mass deception" that had been going on for a long time in many segments of our modern society.

If BP had only started practising the "Art of MAss Deception" soon after the 20 April 2010 blowout, BP's world stage magic show would have fallen apart on its very first opening ACT. Without the silent support and evil hands working behind the scene in many of the institutions we had trusted to safeguard our welfare, this world stage play would have crumbled by the end of the first week for the lack of public audience and confidence. For this Global Deception to continue playing to a full global audience for the 5th continuous month, is by itself a testament of the abyss of deception we have allowed ourselves to sink into.

We are all doomed if we cannot wake ourselves up from this deep trance of hypnotism that has engulfed since "mass media broadcasting" was invented. The success of "Mass Deception in 911" has spawned those with unscrupulous greed to create new ways to mass deceive for quick enormous profits. Although I did not think BP was stupid enough to actually plan for the disaster to happen, impunity has a way of encouraging unscrupulous profiteering, cost cutting and other improprieties from ground level to the very top management. It brings out the worst in reckless aggressive management which in turn drives every project (from exploration to engineering to health to food, did I miss out any) to the brink of destruction.

Recent examples are the heinous Melanine Milk Scandal in China, Toyota Massive car recalls, Hungary toxic spill and just yesterday, the longest 50km log jam on the Rajang River (Sarawak Malaysia) from years of indiscriminate destruction of one of the last vast tracts of tropical jungle on Borneo Island.

The BP scandal epitomises what is wrong with our modern global society. God help us all if we cannot wake up to this reality.

  • 7 votes
#5.6 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 1:22 PM EDT
BK Lim

eth

I did not see you posting my reply so I took the liberty of registering and posting it.

  • 6 votes
#5.7 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 1:24 PM EDT
eth-2299740

BK

I just visited abovetopsecret website and read your posts.

I see they are extremely grateful for your posting/input. They have worked so hard over these months to bring the truth to light as you have and it is wonderfully generous of you to help them along.

I'll keep looking forward to your posts there also :)

  • 2 votes
#5.8 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:04 AM EDT
BK Lim

I didn't know that website existed until you pasted the links. Credit goes to you. Thought I just jump in to assist and give my 2 cents worth. Glad to be of help though it may sometimes get a bit confusing jumping from sites to sites and keeping all updated.

  • 2 votes
#5.9 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:22 AM EDT
eth-2299740

"get a bit confusing jumping from sites to sites and keeping all updated."

So true :)

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#5.10 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:32 AM EDT
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bore-head007

Some pretty shocking @!$%#,Brother. Scary.

  • 6 votes
Reply#6 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 7:14 AM EDT
BK Lim

The defender of a Liar is also a Liar!

“I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong.".....Abraham Lincoln

  • 8 votes
#6.1 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 7:36 AM EDT
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eth-2299740

BK - I truly hope the effort you put into this pans out for all who have been harmed by this catastrophe, and I'm sure you are much appreciated for it.

I believe the fingerprints (as I pointed to before) will be the oil that keeps giving and giving, and bear out your analysis in the long run:

http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/cleanup-crew-supervisor-last-3-weeks-oils-washing-heavier-video

  • 6 votes
Reply#7 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 8:49 AM EDT
BK Lim

eth

I sincerely hope we do not need to be wading in water to realise that boats can be in danger of sinking.

  • 7 votes
#7.1 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 12:32 PM EDT
Larry Crehore

BK I think you'll find some interesting reading in this:

http://energycommerce.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1985:energy-a-commerce-committee-investigates-deepwater-horizon-rig-oil-spill&catid=122:media-advisories&Itemid=55

Let me know what you think.

  • 6 votes
#7.2 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 12:46 PM EDT
BK Lim

September 8, 2010

Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry A. Waxman issued the following statement in response to the release of BP’s internal investigative report on the causes of the Deepwater Horizon incident:

“The BP report raises many questions about the conduct of its partners, but few about its own actions. The report provides new insights about potential mistakes made by Transocean and Halliburton. These are issues that Congress and other investigators should take seriously. But the report glosses over the role and responsibility of BP. It regrettably does not address the corporate culture at BP that shortchanged safety and caused so much harm to the Gulf and the Deepwater Horizon workers.”

LArry, is this the section you want me to comment on?

  • 7 votes
#7.3 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 1:28 PM EDT
Larry Crehore

BK

That was one item, I am still reading the linked material myself. And as you notice there is a lot of paper work to read.

  • 6 votes
#7.4 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 1:32 PM EDT
BK Lim

Larry, y'know it is like reading a story book. If you jump into the middle of the book, you probably be scratching your head. So like 911 and BP's disaster, we need to go way back where it all begins to understand how the disaster came about even if it was unintentional.

We also have to ask if it is just BP alone or are the root causes industry wide or world-wide? Is another one coming? Do we need more regulations (which means higher costs) and more means of unscrupulous profiteering or is the enforcement lacking? Which I think it is the latter. I personally think a total ban is unnecessary if geohazards can be assessed to even 75% accuracy. We do not even need 100% accuracy. This is based on personal experience and statistics.

But whatever it is, you cannot solve the crime if the criminal is still out there pulling the string. What is the point of chasing the tail when the head (master mind) is still free to scheme. What kind of message and example does the US want to sent to the exploration world? Go ahead be reckless on your exploration without due regard to health, safety and environment (HSE). If and when the disaster strikes, you can still get your life back, go luxury yachting and still have a golden parachute. In other words - Crime does Pay.

If Madoff had to go to jail for his billion dollar scandal, why not TH? If Martha Steward had to go to jail for insider trading, why not TH? Do we see double standards here? Is the BP's oil spill scandal any less destructive? So why is the investigation not heading that way? You can't blame the soldiers for loosing the battle if they are given no bullets.

It is the responsibility of the oil companies to foresee potential problems and geohazards. That's why geohazards surveys are required by law. If they cannot, then get out of the industry and let someone else who can. Thus by that logic, if BP one of the world's technological giant cannot see the disaster coming then I think we all better start looking for another planet to live.

What I try to show in my articles that with a little bit of effort (not very much) we can analyse the risks of drilling each location / site. It can be done without using any geniuses; any geohazards geophysicist can be adequately trained to do this. I have done this for 30 years and had no blow-outs at all. But when the oil companies go against sound geohazards assessment (not those with vested interest or watered down with bribes) the wells went up in smoke. That's the reality. This type of disaster is preventable but BP chose the "collision course" because the perpetrators know they can walk away from the "accident" unaccountable and have their lives back, while others suffer the consequences of their blunders.

Isn't this the recipe for disasters in the first place?

  • 8 votes
#7.5 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 2:27 PM EDT
Larry Crehore

BK, very well stated and I think your analysis is spot on. That same recipe for disaster is growing everyday in not just the oil industry but in other big corporations as well. I'm afraid the good old days of being responsible for our actions as far as companies are concerned is a thing of the past. While we as individuals are held to a higher standard by our peers the very same peers that stand by and watch the corporations do as they damned well please.

The problem now is how do we get America off it's ass and out of the front room to start standing up for what's right. Since this disaster started I have been saying that as long as people like us are out here willing to keep this in the fore front there is a chance. Our choice to be vocal makes industry wish we would go away. And it doesn't make us the bell of the ball publicly because we ask them to pay attention and get mad. But this is what it takes to get people to open their eyes and understand "It's Time To Question Authority" they have lied to us long enough.

  • 7 votes
#7.6 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 5:23 PM EDT
BK Lim

Well said yourself. Lying is not going to solve the problem. It just transfers it to the next more tragic level.

  • 6 votes
#7.7 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 5:28 PM EDT
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sctodd

BK

This is one of your best articles so far. This should rekindle people's interest in uncovering truth from the constant disinformation concerning the Gulf. I'm glad you chose to fight this issue. I know it is because of your firsthand understanding of the vast corruption the oil industry has on the world. You've seen what this type of greed does to people and I think you've gone through some tough times for a reason. You've stood your ground for what you know is right. Thank you for bringing more awareness to the surface. Without you we would be in the dark on much of the issue. Unfortunately this isn't the ad running 100 times a day on our television. It's so frustrating to see more and more news of fish kills and people getting sick only getting minimal coverage while BP BS PR ads are constantly running nationwide telling the public BP is wonderful. If the ocean continues to become sick from our reckless activities we all are in for a rough ride. Hopefully we can prepare for the worse and it doesn't happen. And hopefully Justice prevails.

  • 7 votes
Reply#8 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 9:03 AM EDT
bore-head007

Something of interest for all watching this continuing saga.

  • 6 votes
#8.1 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 9:35 AM EDT
BK Lim

The report said that "for the first ten days of the spill, it appears that a sense of over-optimism affected responders. Responders almost uniformly noted that, while they understood that they were facing a major spill, they believed that BP would get the well under control."

Over-optimism or Blind Faith or Deception ?

  • 7 votes
#8.2 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 11:01 AM EDT
BK Lim

Thanks BH for the link.

Is this supposed to eventually lead to a full admission that they were wrong or misled by BP, when the boat is just about to sink?

  • 6 votes
#8.3 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 11:04 AM EDT
BK Lim

Thanks Sctodd.

From what I have experienced and read so far, the trinity of Greed, Deception and Corruption has already permeated into the top parts of society - the top govt depts, big corps and their leaders. The head of the fish always rot first. Let's hope we can galvanise enough up-right thinking people within the body to stop the rot. The head cannot wag the tail without the body.

Check out Borehead007's column http://bore-head007.newsvine.com/ for the perfect example of NOAA and the fishing industry's miseries.

Also check out this site:

http://www.picassodreams.com/picasso_dreams/2010/09/the-well-is-not-dead-what-bp-is-not-telling-you.html

  • 6 votes
#8.4 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 11:57 AM EDT
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BK Lim

Of the charge that White House climate change czar Carole Browner misrepresented the oil budget on August 4 – telling, for instance, the Good Morning America audience that “the vast majority of the oil is gone” — they plead guilty, but they say it was an honest confusion and misunderstanding. “Nobody set out to ‘pull the wool over the country’s eyes,’” an official said. “There was a point of confusion.”

Really Really?

It is incredible how BP could even think that intelligent humans could even fall for this absurd lie. Yet incredibly, the government of the most powerful nation on earth did. One must not underestimate the persuasive power of money and vested business interests.

If you can't fool them maybe you can confuse them?

  • 7 votes
Reply#9 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 11:22 AM EDT
bore-head007

The only confusion was on how to stop the hemorrhage of Obama supporters that could see how this administration has fumbled every play. They wasted 18 months doing a @!$%#ty job, delivering health care reform, instead of putting people back to work. They wasted a golden opportunity to reform Wall St, and the banking industry, which are killing any chance of the recovery, because they are not interested in consumer lending, the missing piece of job creation. These diversions added to the rush to eliminate the BP problem, and in order to make that happen, they thought the could bull@!$%# us. Boy! Are they dumb!

The sad thing is that if the right was in charge, they would have covered up that the event even happened! After all Joe Barton showed the hand of the Republican support for BP.

  • 6 votes
#9.1 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 11:37 AM EDT
BK Lim

Yes I was really taken aback by Joe Barton's apology to BP.

His name reminded me of the Barton BT5 blowout disaster in 1991 where everybody wanted to shut down the platform on deep concerns of the platform collapsing. The ROVs showed the seafloor cracking up as columns of gas spewed through the craters and cracks in the cemented seafloor. The ROVs picked up a few blocks of "rocks" which blew off from one of the craters. Nobody stopped to think how the seafloor got cemented in the first place as the first 5 to 10m of the seabed was supposed to be sandy.

It had to be the cement from the 4 previous wells (deviated) and the present BT5. The oil company disputed this logical conclusion until later investigation showed one fax where one senior manager wrote that they were switching to cheaper (slower to set) cement to cut down drilling costs due to unbearable massive cement losses.

They never thought of finding out why they were loosing cement in the first place. Switching to cheaper cement is like cutting one's nose to spite one's face.

  • 7 votes
#9.2 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 12:20 PM EDT
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yknotpot

You know, the pic of the TILTING BOP says it all don't it? What with subsequent pics showing an upright BOP... it is impossible for BP to cover, change, distort, and destroy everything when it comes to truth, n'est pas?

  • 6 votes
#10 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 12:11 PM EDT
BK Lim

yknotpot, the truth will prevail sooner or later. By revealing all these eveidences, we hope it will be sooner.

I remember one ex-CIA revealing the plots before 911. I saw his video in 2008 after he had already passed. The video was recorded in Venezuela a few months before he knew he was going to die. I hope the BP's story do not get forgotten like 911 until 9 years later. See some latest link on 911 posted recently.

http://www.picassodreams.com/picasso_dreams/2010/09/how-did-rudolph-guiliani-know-ahead-of-time-that-the-wtc-would-collapse.html

  • 8 votes
#10.1 - Thu Oct 7, 2010 1:45 PM EDT
yknotpot

Hey BK Lim,

Yes, I have seen these clips as parts of other documentaries... if you're still lookin' into this here's a site with all the documentaries you would want to view: http://www.911docs.net/

I feel the BP thing might not get the same kind of treatment for these reasons:

a) it's too damn big, too many people are already experiencing serious health problems along the gulf coast and many more are going to get sick with long term chronic conditions and late development of things like cancer.

b) the seafood industry is gonna die because there won't be anything to catch, in the gulf or anywhere else as the gulf is the spawning ground for many species, and anyone foolish enough to eat anything from the gulf will get sick.

c) all that oil is still puking from the hole and there's no way anybody's gonna be able to keep hiding that for very long.

d) something major, or a significant event, is going to take place in the gulf before too long as a result of that still puking hole and either the feds will take advantage of that as a distraction or the whole house of cards BP has set up is gonna come crashing down.

In any case, it won't fade away cause it will keep popping its head back up. You know, I find I cannot dwell on these things for too long cause it really makes me sick to my stomach and fills me with rage, but it does cause me to hit my knees a bit more (for all those people in general as well as for other things) and try to draw closer to my Father in heaven in preparation of things to come.

Take care and keep on keepin' on. Peace.

  • 7 votes
#10.2 - Fri Oct 8, 2010 11:17 AM EDT
BK Lim

I sincerely hope so. But then again, the BP's oil spill is a living disaster with an urgency.

  • 10 votes
#10.3 - Fri Oct 8, 2010 12:14 PM EDT
eth-2299740

BK

Your response

"the BP's oil spill is a living disaster with an urgency."

is akin to what has been on my mind lately.

I keep thinking about that gusher down there and TPTB know full well (no pun intended) that it exists. Of course we/they realize over time it will reveal itself with deadly consequences - i.e. hurricane, continued oil slicks beaches unuseable etc.

We also know that all involved have no intentions of lifting a finger to do anything about it or the gulf residents in the form of massive evacuations or whatever it takes to save lives.

Those that are deeply connected to this and people with your knowledge base outside of BP/Govt know the full extent and urgency of the situation, and are willing to do something about it - whatever is humanly possible in this case. Realistically, that is not enough until TPTB pitch in with their vast resources and make things happen.

In all candor - nothing can be done with the gusher itself from what I have read.

So, the only possible things the little guys can do is continue an awareness campaign - gear up for what will inevitably happen and be there when it hits the fan. By that I mean I believe we may see massive evacuations of the gulf coast when people drop like flies

http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/man-collapsed-died-around-hydrogen-sulfide-leak-new-orleans-air-tests-detect-anything-be-considered-harmful-people-video

This has been discussed on other forums, but your work is very important in this continuing awareness campaign and I would like for you to discuss what you see in the future.

Thank you

  • 6 votes
#10.4 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 11:41 AM EDT
Verifiable Scientific Evidence Trumps Propaganda

BK,

Keep up your great work exposing the truth about the BP oil spill. There is a world-wide awakening happening and the more info about events like the BP oil spill and the 9/11 false flag attacks is released, the better the chance of reaching a critical mass of well-informed citizens demanding that real changes are made.

The following recently released Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) footage of New York city firefighter eyewitness testimony on 9/11 of multiple secondary explosions within the twin towers had been initially withheld by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) until they were threatened with a lawsuit for refusing to comply with the FOIA request. The search terms "Huge Explosions" for this eyewitness testimony reached the #1 most searched on Google during the day it was released last week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO1ps1mzU8o&feature=player_embedded

The following testimony by 2 other New York city firefighter eyewitnesses further confirms that explosives were used to bring down the World Trade Center twin towers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2qKNCDDLII&feature=related

In April, 2009, a peer-reviewed scientific journal article was published in the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal, which presented evidence of the presence of military grade state-of-the-art nanothermite sol gel explosives in all of the dust samples that have been analyzed from the World Trade Center building rubble. This scientific study was conducted by an international team of 9 scientists and their findings have now been independently corroborated by a chemical engineer researcher in New Hampshire. Please see the links to this peer-reviewed scientific journal article as well an article about the development of nanothermite explosives (also known as superthermite) by the US military in Technology Review.

http://fedgeno.com/documents/wtc-investigation.pdf

http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/14105/?a=f

"Researchers can greatly increase the power of weapons by adding materials known as superthermites that combine nanometals such as nanoaluminum with metal oxides such as iron oxide, according to Steven Son, a project leader in the Explosives Science and Technology group at Los Alamos.

"The advantage (of using nanometals) is in how fast you can get their energy out," Son says.

Son says that the chemical reactions of superthermites are faster and therefore release greater amounts of energy more rapidly.

"Superthermites can increase the (chemical) reaction time by a thousand times," Son says, resulting in a very rapid reactive wave."

There are now over 1,330 license certified architects and engineers who have signed a petition demanding a real and independent investigation into the destruction of the World Trade Center twin towers and building 7 (which was not hit by a plane and was located over 300 feet away from the twin towers). There is overwhelming evidence that all 3 buildings were brought down using explosives in controlled demolitions.

Architect Richard Gage presents this evidence In the following video presentation of "9/11: A Blueprint For Truth":

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4617650616903609314#

The Architects & Engineers For 9/11 Truth petition can be signed at the following link:

http://www.ae911truth.org

The following 4 short video presentations by physicist David Chandler of the destruction of the WTC twin towers provide conclusive evidence that the twin towers were brought down by controlled demolitions. These presentations include the detailed analysis of obvious explosive squibs, secondary explosions of laterally ejected debris and cutter charge explosions during the demolitions of the twin towers.

http://www.youtube.com/wat ch?v=hSApOavkHg8

http://www.911docs.net/cutter_charges_wtc.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DChR1XcYhlw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnR4A4zb8B0&feature=related

The attacks of 9/11 were a false flag operation very similar to the proposed Operation Northwoods. Operation Northwoods was a March, 13th 1962 US government proposal for a false flag attack to be orchestrated against the US by the CIA and was to be blamed on Cuba in order to justify a US invasion of Cuba. Part of this plan involved CIA operatives posing as US college students boarding a plane and then switching the plane with a remote-controlled drone aircraft at Eglin Air Force base and then blowing up the drone near Cuban air space. See the link below for the George Washington University National Security Archive for the declassified documents for this once top secret plan.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf

"Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will begin transmitting on the international distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal."

  • 3 votes
#10.5 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:31 PM EDT
eth-2299740

According to this - could see massive evacuations Matt Simmons spoke of.

BEAN: Told neighbors in September… go to Greenville… take all your valuables, anything you want to put your hands on, and put in safe depost box… if we get a storm in here… 50-75 miles from coast… Foley, AL and south is going to be contaminated… if you’re not hazmat certified, you would not be allowed to go home…

http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/bp-cleanup-supervisor-told-neighbors-only-hazmat-crews-be-allowed-areas-hit-storms-video

Also said: More oil last 3 weeks than was before. This is October - after well "sealed".

  • 2 votes
#10.6 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:52 AM EDT
BK Lim

VSETP

Thanks for dropping in and giving your links. You know I learnt a lot more about 911 and mass deception in the last 2 months than the 9 years after 911. If I was not sure it was an inside job, I am sure of it now like thousands others. Given time the truth will prevail. I only hope it is sooner than later.

  • 4 votes
#10.7 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:52 AM EDT
BK Lim

eth

Check out my comments on this thread

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread587933/pg262#pid9722029.

Had suspected BP of injecting dispersant into the sub-seabed for some time and this video confirms it. They have been conducting experiments to test the effectiveness of their dispersion technique. I suppose BP is taking the opportunity to perfect their dispersant technology in anticipation of another oil disaster.

Notice that the clouds do not rise vertically but sub-horizontally as you previously suspected in one of our previous discussion.

It just proved that while prevention is better than cure, it is the cure that is most profitable. It reminds me of a story my father once told me.

A young doctor returning home one day told his ageing father, a traditional medicine practitioner; "Dad, you had been treating Uncle Tong (a patient who had just left) for the last 20 years and he is still coming in for treatment. Shouldn't you let modern medicine take over and cure him once and for all." The father turned and said "how do you think I could afford to pay for your expensive study overseas?"

Tell me what you think.

  • 2 votes
#10.8 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:22 AM EDT
eth-2299740

BK:

Is this robot arm injecting dispersant directly into seabed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhNka4Hi2P4&feature=player_embedded

  • 2 votes
#10.9 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:32 PM EDT
BK Lim

Is this robot arm injecting dispersant directly into seabed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhNka4Hi2P4&feature=player_embedded

Eth, I do not know if they were injecting dispersant, they were sure expecting the seabed to heave and burst. I cannot see the coords clearly but I think this is quite close to Well A, along the fault line. This place must have been blowing quite regularly for them to be ready to record the event.

Looks like the ROV operators had been told under strict order not to tell but they certainly can show.

The overall picture here tells me that this area had blown so often, the clayey seabed sediment had been totally replaced by heavy drilling mud. If you check the earlier seabed you can still see potholes. I will be writing on the "evolution of the seafloor features" shortly illustrating the first natural seabed features to the current heavy loose seafloor.

As the top layer gets heavier, the "dispersed fluid (oil, gas, water, slurry and dispersant)" will have to accumulate till high pressure before bursting. That's why you see a significant heave before the bubble burst. In an earlier video, the heave was hardly perceptible because the top layer was less heavy and the sediment less cohesive.

This is a good video to illustrate. You know we can all learn a little bit of sedimentology from all this.

To your question, if the robot was injecting dispersant, no it is not the dispersant causing the seabed to swell and burst. But going back to my earlier comments, it would be far more effective and economical for them to mix the dispersant inside the well or at at least at deeper level.

  • 2 votes
#10.10 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:39 PM EDT
eth-2299740

BK

I looked at the video and read your comments.

However - I am confused.

From the video I see droplets floating sideways and then lots and lots of "clouds". Now, we know this is not a gusher they are dealing with here, but what are essentially "leaks", no big deal as far as they are concerned.

Question - to me it wouldn't be much of an experiment and actually a waste of money (bp obsessed with cost cutting) to add dispersant to a leak. Now all the "clouds" are not part of the real gusher and obviously serve no purpose to just stir up mud - so why can't they be watching for "real explosions" or am I reading you wrong?

Thanks

  • 3 votes
#10.11 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:45 PM EDT
eth-2299740

BK

oops - forgot to add - the reason why I didn't think it was enough oil,methane whatever to cause clouds because the leak was fixed at this point (according to title of video) wasn't it?

  • 2 votes
#10.12 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:58 PM EDT
BK Lim

I would like to add that in natural seabed, once the top layer is breached, subsequent gas accumulation cannot build up the pressure. Thus you will find smaller pockmarks within or at the sides of the first “bubble burst” or crater. The size of the crater (which we call pockmark) can be between 10 to 150 m in diameter depending on the thickness, homogeneity and strength (or cohesiveness). In some odd cases, you will see not circular but skewed pockmarks but that is another story. Subsequent gas will form pockmark clusters instead. Each pockmark within the cluster is about 3 to 15m in diameter.

  • 2 votes
#10.13 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:07 PM EDT
eth-2299740

Thanks BK - for information regarding robot arm and what's happening. Actually it is fascinating, but under the circumstances good idea to understand ramifications.

Between me and people at abovetopsecret we are keeping you pretty busy :)

  • 2 votes
#10.14 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:14 PM EDT
eth-2299740

BK

I just wanted to add something else to my comments about the well that was supposedly fixed (static kill).

I do understand that if they were using dispersants the droplets would float sideways. But what if it was turbulence from constant release of pressure from the seabed? Just exploring all options :) - or playing devil's advocate as they say :)

I have no knowledge of what happens during an explosion, so curious why it tends to push all the mud sideways?

  • 2 votes
#10.15 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:07 AM EDT
eth-2299740

Just thought about it using a vision of a nuclear explosion. It mushrooms up and spreads out.

So a lot of what we are seeing is not even in our view - something you have already mentioned.

  • 2 votes
#10.16 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:13 AM EDT
BK Lim

Eth, I tried posting this but the internet went down last

I think there may be some time lapse between postings. Some of the later videos posted by StealthyKat and EKtar suggest BP could be grouting. This is the first time I am looking at so many videos in succession. But you got a valid point there. Why waste money on dispersant if the oil is already contained?

BP has already declared to the world that the gusher well had been permanently killed at the bottom as well. Thus there should be no oil spot at the sea surface above the Macondo wells. They should have packed up and leave. But they can't and they seem to be as busy as ever. If they leave the new oil seepage (not from well A) but weak points along the faults, will rise straight to the surface. The satellite will surely pick up the oil sheen.

So they have to keep pumping in the dispersant at the open gusher (S20BC), maybe deeper down to keep up the charade. But they cannot do this forever. People will ask questions (as I had anticipated in August). That why I said "now you see, now you don't". So how to solve the problem? They started way back in late july (and intensified in august) to grout the faults beneath the surface layer. Crazy but it seems they are that desperate. They are hoping the grouting will suppress the oil seeps in the well vicinity and spread the oil far and wide to pass as natural seeps. New oil will continue to come ashore but BP can argue that these are "old oils". Another thing - Nov election is near. They will probably keep this up until after the elections. Congress should subpoena BP's expenditure on dispersant and dispersant -associated ops & exp. Same with ops on grouting.

At least for now, they are aiming for "no surface oil at the Macondo wells" until they are done and ready to go.

Re the calibration/monitoring/observation (whatever you call it) they need to know who well their grouting and dispersant ops went. The first video with the 3 or 4 lights - was checking how effective their dispersant and how well their grouting had performed. So you have 3 operations going on - pressure grouting, dispersant and just observation/monitoring their effectiveness. I think that's what they are doing. These were in August. What about September after the well was killed?

  • 2 votes
#10.17 - Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:42 AM EDT
BK Lim

eth this is an additional comment to #10.9

Looking at the video again, they may not be injecting dispersant but probably grout. Notice the force is so great that the horizontal cables actually lifted up. This "burst" is not natural.

  • 2 votes
#10.18 - Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:58 AM EDT
eth-2299740

BK

Can you clarify what you mean by the burst not being natural.

I know there were rumors of the seafloor already showing buldges that were several feet in height as early as July. If that's the case it could be worse. Does this seafloor look like one of those buldges, and the reason for it not being natural?

  • 3 votes
#10.19 - Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:40 AM EDT
BK Lim

eth

If the bulge and gas built-up is by "natural seepage" from the leaking reservoir or other natural sources, it would take some time to build up the seepage pressure before it can burst again. In a more natural situation (explain earlier) once the natural seal of the strata is broken, it stays broken so you so not get multiple bursts from the same hole. You get another bubble forming some distance away - we see this all the time in our seabed survey.

But in this case, the seabed top layer had been replaced by heavy drilling mud so the drilling mud collapses back and seal back the hole. Natural clay (I use clay to differentiate is from drilling mud) will stay suspended and probably be blown away. That's why you would see a crater - just like the craters on the moon from meteorites impacts. But because the drilling mud is much heavier, it falls back on the hole without much lateral displacement. Now that is not natural.

When the mud covers back the hole or area of seepage, the gas will build up pressure again until the accumulated pressure exceeds the mud weight. Then it blows again. This "burst" is what I term as natural since the seepage, gas/ dispersed fluid accumulation and the bubble burst occur without man-made interference. The top layer being drilling mud is not natural but I am referring to the process being natural.

But when the dispersant or more likely the grout is being injected at high pressure (high pressure grouting) then the burst itself is not natural. You can see the particles flying about erratically and more horizontally (as you noted) which I was going to address earlier but got into answering others first.

In one video, you see the particles all flying directly to the camera and falling down. In that video I would think the camera was on the downside of the slope. It could be a mini-lanslide, a natural burst or unnatural "grouting burst"; that we cannot tell.

To sum it up, there are at least 10 different instances of "bubble bursting" as we see on the rov video. When it is definitive, I will zoom in or I would just say it is natural or unnatural. Hope this clarifies.

  • 3 votes
#10.20 - Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:52 AM EDT
eth-2299740

Definitely clarifies.

Slowly I am beginning to understand what is going on with these fault lines.

Once again I am going to have to go over your posts here and on abovetopsecret because they contain so much information it takes awhile for us neophytes to comprehend.

I do have another question, but will hold off until I reread it all - don't want to keep asking questions you already answered :)

  • 3 votes
#10.21 - Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:36 AM EDT
BK Lim

eth

No problems. From your questions and feedback at least I will get to know how well I have explain, gone wrong or did not realise the information I want to get out had been misinterpreted. You are my measuring gauge.

  • 2 votes
#10.22 - Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:47 PM EDT
Reply
BK Lim

C.Dodds asked:

Thanks for the valuable insights. Is the second well still gushing? How much? To what extent are other plumes in the Gulf leaking? How much oil altogether is leaking into the gulf now? Can you estimate?

It is actually the 3rd well S20BC. There was an ROV video with gas seeps further north of S20BC. I suspect the leak is coming out of a northerly fault passing S20BC and well A. It is not a question of killing the well. How do you kill a leaking fault?

In the next posting, the evidence of an Rov video showing a long track of continuous gas seeps. This is again another fault I was mapping passing close to Well B and Well A. There were other ROVs showing this in between Well A and B and beyond well A. So this is very confirmative.

Well B, although plugged, left behind almost 1000 ft of open well bore at the bottom. The emails confirmed stringers ( gas lenses) that made it difficult to cement. That’s why MMS let them off. If you leave an open chamber in a gas reservoir, what do you think will happen? Gas influx into the open well and up the annulus between the last casing and formation. Since the formation is fractured and faulted, the gas will eventually find pathways to the fault which obviously cut the open 1000 ft of the 5000ft Well A. That’s why Well A was leaking gas furiously. The Congress inquiry got it right when they suspected that the “well had accidentally tapped into the Rigel Gas resevoir”. They thought it was well A that drilled through it but no it was well B but since they are both connected by the WNW-ESE fault the pathway is quite clear.

Normally by the time I get to this stage, I am already 80% right with just some missing details. It is almost impossible for all the observations to fit the geological model. Now if we can get the mud logs and high resolution seismic data, we can proceed to work out the quantitative model.

As to the quantity of oil seeping out – I would think it is about the same with the open gusher – but now it is distributed into the network of fault lines. Brine plus gas can erode and make new pathways, even through faults passing the impervious shale beds. How? Also the hot oil would warm up the upper hydrates that had been stable until now. If you ask me, I would say the situation is actually worse but less spectacular than gushing out an open well. At least with an open gushing well, the pressure does not build up in the fractured geology.

  • 7 votes
#11 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 11:38 AM EDT
eth-2299740

BK

BOOM?

  • 6 votes
#11.1 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 2:48 PM EDT
BK Lim

No Eth. Not exactly BOOM or mega bang as everyone is expecting. The overburden can only take certain amount of pressure. The swelling probably 20 to 100 m diameters depending on the thickness of the overburden (heavy drilling mud would require more pressure) before the layers break into fissures that release the gas. If it happens on an unstable slope, it will induce a landslide.

This is a common occurrence we see on the seafloor around the world.

  • 7 votes
#11.2 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 3:08 PM EDT
Larry Crehore

BK this is also one of the things they are now researching that may in fact be responsible for ships disappearing in open ocean events. Theory is if the event is large enough then the bubbles interfere with the surface tension of the water making the vessels involved less buoyant by reducing the surface contact and possibly sinking them.

  • 6 votes
#11.3 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 6:02 PM EDT
BK Lim

Thanks Larry for pointing this out. Some clarification is needed.

I am not saying there is no large scale continuous gas column. I have often quoted the SiSi-2 blowout where the 200 m drillship sank and disappear right into the blowout crater. I have seen several others as well.

But in this case, where the seafloor evidently moved - is due to smaller gas accumulation, swelling and bursting. It is also periodic which means the gas and oil is still finding their way to the seafloor irrespective of whether BP declared their Permanent KILL was a success or not.

The duration of the gas burst is also an indication of the size of the accumulation and indirectly the depth. In the SiSi-2 case, the gas column lasted for weeks. If the duration of the burst is short - just a few seconds or few minutes than the immediate source is shallow. I say immediate because then after the depletion, it needed time to recharge.

So the frequency of "blow" can tell us the recharge time - indirectly the depth or distance of the ultimate source.

At 5000 ft, the gas discharge had to be very large at very long period to create sufficient air bubbles to sink a vessel. It is a different matter in shallow water say 100 m. The gas bubbles actually spread out from the source point - like a cone.

  • 4 votes
#11.4 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 6:54 PM EDT
Larry Crehore

BK I see what you mean about clarification. The research I was referring to is a completely separate event. In wave labs they are learning that the release would have to be more than the Macondo will likely cause. So far they have determined that the release necessary to sink a ship would more than likely be caused by some massive tectonic movement to generate enough gas to cause a bubble instantly, say the size of at least half the ships length and at least as wide. That's a big friggen bubble. I do think on the other hand that the Macondo and the geology of the seabed in the surrounding area are fully capable of producing a discharge that might be able to sink some of the smaller vessels along the line of a sport boat.

Or maybe I am way out in left field but if it is possible then I think people should be warned of the possibility.

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#11.5 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 7:27 PM EDT
BK Lim

Larry

Thanks what we are all afraid off. You see a little hole (well) if uncontrolled will lead to bigger leaks and it spreads like a broken or crack glass will (maybe not that fragile but nevertheless ....)

Check out this link that gives a comparison between BP disaster and this Hungary Toxic spill.

http://environmentalarmageddon.wordpress.com/2010/10/08/hungary-toxic-sludge-catastrophe-reminiscent-of-bp-gulf-oil-spill/

If you look at the pictures carefully, you can see signs of sub-surface erosion. Again this was a disaster waiting to blow. The maintenance inspection should have seen the signs. But Ah! like BP's disaster, if somebody has alerted the co Management - top boss would have said - look it has not happen yet. When it does we will just blame it on the weather - Act of God. Bull@!$%#!. If I were to be at site to inspect I could dig up evidence of Wilful Ignorance. That is how bad the situation is.

We are just waiting for the next shoe to drop. It all started with a little little leak.

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#11.6 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 8:06 PM EDT
BK Lim

Larry

We can read the seafloor features like a giant history book. It tells us what had happened in the past and what will likely happen if we drill into it. In the Macondo wells site, it is a Forensic Record of BP's criminality.

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#11.7 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 8:10 PM EDT
Larry Crehore

BK not to change subjects but the Hungary article you linked isn't it knid of obvious from the first and last three photos what happened. It looks to me there is a terrible flaw in the dam design. Correct me if I'm wrong but don't most dams have an even curved surface? The dam that broke looks to have a point of almost 45 degrees in the area of the break. And it looks to me like there was a failure at one side of the angle that looks almost like a knife cut. Could the angle have caused an increase of hydraulic pressure causing the dam to ultimately fail in that area?

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#11.8 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 8:27 PM EDT
BK Lim

There are many design flaws. You will notice that the embankment walls are not straight either. Looks like another Design to Fail construction.

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#11.9 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 8:33 PM EDT
BK Lim

Larry

You are right again. Looking at the first photo you would have thought it was a small rectangular toxic tank designed to temporary hold the sludge. But if you scroll down to the pic which shows the trucks as a measure of scale, you will be taken by surprise the scale of things. I am no engineer but I can tell you a reservoir of that size cannot use that rectangular shape (the corners being the weakest) and it cannot be at the highest point built right to the edge. This is crazy design by any standard.

Concrete dams have to be curved and built into the solid wall face of the valley for strength. Dams with straight embankments are for very small capacity.

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#11.10 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 8:48 PM EDT
Larry Crehore

Well I may not be an engineer but I do remember some science and physics class material, and that dam just screams poor design. And I am no genius. Some government heads need to roll over that one.

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#11.11 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 9:01 PM EDT
BK Lim

Well Larry, if you need geniuses to design that one, I am glad you ain't one. To me, some practical common-sense is what that was needed.

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#11.12 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 9:07 PM EDT
cookin mama

that terrible red flood of toxic goo in Hungary makes me sad being half Hungarian. what is our world coming to greed is more important then us humans?

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#11.13 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:45 AM EDT
eth-2299740

cookin mama

If you have some time read some of this disposition - will blow your mind what happens when greed takes precedence over humans - scroll down to

Exclusive Bombshell of Foreclosure Fraud – Full Deposition of TAMMIE LOU KAPUSTA Law Office of David J Stern

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/bombshell-foreclosure-fraud-%E2%80%93-full-deposition-tammie-lou-kapusta-law-office-david-j-stern

makes me sick to think this is typical characteristic in our TBTF banking industry.

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#11.14 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:51 AM EDT
eth-2299740

BK - Thanks for response - at least that's not a concern.

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#11.15 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:53 AM EDT
BK Lim

Cookin mama

There are places you can't build and places you can't drill. - reminds me of a song from Paul McCartney. Then there is the right way and the cheating ways. Them there is the cost cutting, quality control and maintenance.

While it takes 2 to tango, it takes many more for a disaster to occur. So the world is really in a bad shape, if you put them altogether.

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#11.16 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:58 AM EDT
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BK Lim

My answer in response to several questions - on the asphalt volcano and observed periodic burst of gas & oil.

I am still researching on the geology of the area, especially the Biloxi Dome which was written some where as an asphalt volcano. I have been looking at mud volcanoes which I saw on many of my own projects. Contrary to popular beliefs (BK Lim in publication), mud volcanoes are not molten mud being squeezed out from great depth to the seabed or ground level. The principal fluids are petrogenic gas from reservoir mixed with brine. At shallow clayey strata, these hot fluids erode and dissolve clay into a slurry which is expelled through the mud volcano vent and flows out as mud. Fluids mixture of brine and gas are sufficiently mobile to cause this. Oil or asphalt would be too viscous and take too long to migrate as permeability is an important factor.

If you look at both the twin cones on the Biloxi dome, they are not very steep. I would expect asphalt being more viscous would be more steep, convex cones. The typical thing about mud volcanoes, they can be continuous flow or periodic ie. the gas pressure needs to be charged up before exploding their blocked vents. The composition of the mud slurry changes with each accumulation. Some strata of the mud volcano can also be richer in oil content -- resulting in a dirty asphalt layer.

My personal belief is that the "mole hill" where the Macondo wells were drilled is more likely to be a mud volcano. It will explain the nightmare drilling problems BP had and the numerous out-of well control situations leading to the final blowout on 20 April. BP spent 4 months (including 1 month in 2009). It takes only 3-6 weeks to drill a well. BP could not have drilled only 1 well. They drilled 3 wells, that is for sure.

So if mud volcanoes are in Biloxi Domes and on the Macondo wells site, it means gas was already leaking to the seafloor naturally through the various faulted pathways. In that kind of situation it would be very very difficult to cement (seal) the well bore. No wonder they were loosing massive amount of drilling mud and cement. The cement job is to strengthen the well and isolate the different strata. But with a poorly cemented well, it acts more like a vertical conduit connecting (instead of isolating) different hydraulics at various levels.

It is for this reason, BP knew it was a hopeless case to "permanently kill" the S20BC well, the only one that reaches the reservoir (which is also the illegal, unreported and unauthorised well). BP had to resort to the "Magic Show" in capping the well. It only dispersed the oil and gas through the various faults - in the hope that all these can be disputed as "natural seeps" on the basis that no wells were drilled at those locations. In dispersing the hot oil and gases far and wide into the shallow strata above the "hydrate stable level", BP has inadvertently warmed up and vaporised more hydrates into fluid gases that add to the problem. Given time, the circulating fluids will erode and create more permeable pathways and subsequently more gases.

The problem has not been solved yet. That is why I call this "a living disaster with an urgency".

So the late Matts Simmons was not wrong in theorising that the whole seafloor could be unstable given time for the sub-seabed erosion to propagate. Large submarine landslides can be induced if their seabed under-toe stability is compromised. The only question is the length of time - that is another prediction.

We should all join hands and demand that BP correct this problem instead of declaring a hollow victory - just like George Bush did months after the Iraq invasion; only to drag on the war for years until now with no end in sight.

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Reply#12 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:11 PM EDT
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