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More ROV evidences of shallow faults & drilling problems- Part IIb of Root Causes.

Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:54 PM EDT
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- 9 Oct 2010 hydrocomgeo@gmail.com

1. Periodic gas and oil seepages through cracks in the heavily cemented seafloor.

Figures 122-1a and 1b show 2 ROV images captured from the video clip posted by rocksiphone on 18 July 2010 at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30WLz7eGYMY&feature=related. The seafloor appears hard with thin layers of encrusted foliation. Besides the dark patches of coloration, the focus of the camera shows a rather sharp edge foliation detached from the lower layer. In the video, blobs of oil and burst of gas can be seen seeping through the gap in the foliation. For such a foliated layer to withstand the periodic burst of gas, it must be pretty hard and resilient.

Natural deposition of clayey sediment takes a long time in quiet, low energy environment. Undisturbed natural seafloor covered with surficial soft clay has a smooth flat surface.

Why is this patch of the seafloor (40-50 ft ENE of well A) so heavily cemented? Obviously the cement must have resurfaced and hardened at the seafloor; possibly even during the October 2009 drilling period. This is a conclusive proof that BP had experienced difficulties in well A since the first time the well was spud on 7 Oct 2009. It also proved that BP continued to drill even deeper when the shallow sections of the well had not been properly sealed yet.

Figure 122-2 is the typical comment by an expert driller assuming the shallow sections of the well would have been properly tested and sealed before proceeding to drill deeper. This ROV evidence clearly shows that this was not the case.

The fact that this patch of cemented seabed and several other gas seeps (as far as 500 ft) are aligned to the “super long leaking fissure” (2), is sufficient proof that the geology here is badly fractured and faulted.

2. “Super Long leaking fissure”

ROV Video from Olympic Challenger dated 21 August : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjAPRpVr-6Q showing massive gas/oil seeps that seem to hover above seabed level.

ROV Video from Skandi Neptune dated 29 August: http://www.youtube.com/user/mmimic34#p/a/u/1/EKg-GJV6d54 showing an elongated cloud that hover just above the seafloor. The video has a tag “prop wash”. This cannot be a prop wash as heavy prop-wash are generated at sea surface not at depths. Further any prop-wash bubbles would rise and dissipate fairly quickly; insufficient time for the ROV to track the “prop-wash” without seeing the vehicle generating the “prop-wash”. These are only some of the arguments against the prop-wash interpretation of these rov videos.

Basically the 2 videos confirm the existence of the WNW-ESE fault line passing through / close to Well A and offset about 50 to 70 ft N of Well B. See figure 122-3.

…. to be continued in part IIc of Root Causes.

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BK Lim

This posting shows the ROV video confirming the faults and heavily cemented seafloor. The cement could have only come from previous drilling, most probably as far back as Oct 2009 when BP took a month just to drill 4025 ft at Well A. This awfully slow drilling must have been plagued by problems at the shallow end.

Why? Because Well A could not have been positioned at a more "ideal location" if you are sincerely looking for a nightmare well from Hell. That figures.

  • 8 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:04 PM EDT
Danese

BKLim, what's the story on that shuttle that blasted off over in Russia with U.S. crews? Did China have anything to do with that?

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:41 PM EDT
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eth-2299740

BK

Here is a video (can't attest to authenticity) you might be interested in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfv34nyAWO0&feature=player_embedded

If this is true - BP knew what they were getting into - makes one wonder how many Social Security recipients in South (old people) they calculated they can manage to kill off, and depopulate at same time once a hurricane manages to stir the whole mess up!! or am I way off base?

from:

http://jailthebanksters.blogspot.com/ :

joint industry project (JIP) was formed between the MMS and 23 different oil companies to conduct this research. The project consisted of an experimental release of oil and gas conducted in June 2000 off the coast of Norway. Mixtures of crude oil and natural gas, diesel oil and natural gas, as well as only natural gas were released at approximately 800 meters water depth. The goal was to simulate a blowout or pipeline rupture in deep water and obtain data

The results from these measurements show that the rising of the oil through the water column represents a kind of a “stripping” process of some of the most toxic compounds in the oil. The end result is therefore that a portion of the most toxic compounds is left in the water column. This is contrasted to a surface generated slick, where a portion the most toxic compounds merely go into evaporation rather than dissolving into the sea.



  • 7 votes
Reply#6 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:26 AM EDT
BK Lim

Eth

Seems legit enough, heard about it before but not in details. You really think the primary objective is to swipe out the social security recipients? Wow, I did not think it would go that far.

  • 7 votes
#6.1 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:46 PM EDT
Danese

WTF!

  • 2 votes
#6.2 - Thu Oct 14, 2010 1:28 PM EDT
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eth-2299740

BK

I was going to say the biggest drain on our economy has been Social Security and Medicare. That was until the foreclosure fraud scandal erupted - could end up being a game ender.

However, if you think about it, Florida is densely populated with social security recipients. If there was a way to decrease its population "indiscriminately" (who would suspect the real reason), that would at least in part save money as far as social security and medicare benefits were concerned. This would be more acceptable/palatable than health care death panels - if you see what I am saying (blame the oil spill).

Wouldn't put anything past TPTB anymore!!

  • 7 votes
Reply#7 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:53 PM EDT
BK Lim

So what you are saying - which is what most already suspected, it was a head I win tail you lose bet. If there is no disaster they win, and if there is one, they also win. Except they did not anticipate the scale of it? They did not realise the little fire could spread into a catastrophe. My, that is pure evil.

  • 7 votes
Reply#8 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:06 PM EDT
Danese

Well who can we call on for help? Well if people wasn't blaming God for disaster and catastrophy that he had no part of and his tow friends Spirit and Lord...maybe we wouldn't be ashamed to call on him.

  • 2 votes
#8.1 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:54 PM EDT
Danese

What about the animal kingdom? anybody got some connects..you know somebody official...not a person trying to learn the language of an animal. Just somebody that give a f$(( about if they are eating.

  • 6 votes
#8.2 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:56 PM EDT
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eth-2299740

BK

"Why? Because Well A could not have been positioned at a more "ideal location" if you are sincerely looking for a nightmare well from Hell"

Tinhat on: BP is in it for the money. Now why would they take that chance?

What would they have to gain? Unless someone else was "footin' the bill?"

Tinhat off.

  • 6 votes
Reply#9 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:39 PM EDT
TR-421173

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  • 6 votes
Reply#10 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:42 PM EDT
BK Lim

Eth

We hit it right on the nail then?

  • 6 votes
Reply#11 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:03 PM EDT
eth-2299740

BK

Actually - when the light is shone on this batch of cockroaches you will be the one I full heartedly advocate take a good deal of the credit (give some to Matt Simmons - RIP) because you continued to hammer them article after article, and I along with others tried to hold the nail :)

  • 7 votes
Reply#12 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:09 PM EDT
BK Lim

Nice way of putting it. The BP wood is one hell of a hard wood to nail in so holding the nail is one heck of a job, in case I missed. Thanks I enjoy the discussion with you to keep this issue alive. Once the flame dies out, it will be hard to rekindle. So you get the credit as well. I could not have sustained this long with support from you and thousands others. They don't comment but I see it in the traffic.

Pity NV don't allow them to vote, so that we can see their response.

  • 7 votes
#12.1 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:38 PM EDT
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BK Lim

Below is a brief summary I submitted to www.nexus.fr at the request of their journalist.

The first direct proof for the 3rd well is the Deepwater Horizon wreckage. The first article that explains this is
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2010/08/17/4913304-the-art-of-mass-deception-part-1-ballistic-analysis-of-dwh-riser-wreck

Basically, the main DWH wreck is either too far (1000ft if the riser is broken) or too near (if the riser is intact ie approx 4,000 - 5000ft) from well A. For the riser wreck to be standing 1500ft above the seafloor, it could have only occurred as analysed in the CSI forensic of the DWH wreckage, see diagrams in
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2010/08/14/4884549-dwh-blowout-csi-why-it-could-not-have-happened-as-reported-by-bp-

The first few ROV videos in May also showed the gas/oil gushing from a broken pipe in a seabed crater, which matched the coastguard log of 714 ft NW of Well A. My forensic analysis estimated 720ft. BP accidentally exposed the truth when they lied that burning DWH had drifted. DWH could not have drifted in calm weather and because there was no slack in the steel riser. The accurate distance of 714 ft could have only been calculated using coordinates obtained from the ROV. But the coordinates were measured close to BOP at seabed not at the burning DWH on the sea surface. So BP was caught lying - http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2010/09/15/5116468-bp-caught-lying-while-deepwater-horizon-burns-part-5-aomd.

The broken pipe dips into the ground towards the north with the open gushing end facing south. So oil was flowing from north to south. If there is no riser connection from Well A, 714ft further south, how could the gushing oil have come from the BOP at Well A? This is the most important discrepancy in BP's official story.

With these 4 main points, the whole picture becomes clearer. More conclusive evidences are provided by the 2nd underwater explosion, logs, MMS emails & application to spud etc in http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2010/09/12/5096273-conclusive-evidence-well-a-is-not-the-well-that-blew-up-on-20-april-part-3-aomd

Working backwards, it makes sense since Well A could not continue after the drilling rods were stuck by the formation cave-in at 4000-5000ft open bore. Then BP moved to Well B which again encountered problems and a near-blowout after drilling down to 13,100 ft. It had to stop and plugged the well 750 ft above the open bottom. To side track wide enough to avoid the problem zone, the well would miss the oil target. If the well was not sidetrack wide enough it would still have the same problem.

Thus, BP had to drill from a 3rd well location. There are some more evidences but these are the main points.

This 3rd well was not reported, and no permit applied for it. So it is not authorised.

BP tried to apply for it a few days before the blowout occured on 20 April 2010. But it was too late. In any case the blowout was so severe, there was no hope of sealing the well with a broken well head. So since Well A was leaking gas and oil (it was not properly plugged due to the stuck drilling rods) BP used well A to fool the world that it was the leaking well and pretend to "kill it". Well A was only 5000 ft. So they could kill it much earlier like in May. But they cannot pretend to kill well A in May when the 3rd well was still openly gushing oil out. The relief well C was not ready to kill it yet from the bottom. So BP had to pretend and wait until the Relief Well C can reach the bottom of the 3rd well.

If Well A was killed in May, and the sea still filled with oil, BP's Mass Deception would be exposed. IT is simple logic.

The main cause of the blowout was the gas-saturated weak sub-formation (GWSF) zone which did not allow the well to be properly cemented and sealed. That is why I am showing all the ROV evidences which confirmed there were massive losses of drilling mud and cement which resurfaced through the faults up to the seabed. The well-cementing had not effectively sealed the well annulus with the formation, allowing the drilling fluid (drilling mud, gas and some oil) to freely flow outside the well.

When the Equivalent Circulation Density (ECD) was lowered (replacing drilling mud with salt water) gas from the GWSF zone forced back into the well through the leaks and caused the blowout. But the initial blowout was not that strong - a lot of gas to cause the fire but the well head, BOP and riser were still intact. 2 days later, the bottom cement plug kaputt and this time the oil forced out from the reservoir like a "hydraulic piston". This toppled and broke the well head, jammed up the drilling rods and toppled the BOP. The steel riser of course broke off (as shown in my CSI illustration) into 2 parts to form the odd twisted, standing riser wreck.

This interpretation fits everything so perfectly, it cannot be wrong. Maybe some 10-20% details still missing but 80-90% right. BP's official version is very inconsistent and does not make any sense at all. That is why I do this analysis to prove that BP is lying and covering up the magnitude of the disaster.

Below is a brief summary I submitted to www.nexus.fr at the request of their journalist.

The first direct proof for the 3rd well is the Deepwater Horizon wreckage. The first article that explains this is

http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2010/08/17/4913304-the-art-of-mass-deception-part-1-ballistic-analysis-of-dwh-riser-wreck

Basically, the main DWH wreck is either too far (1000ft if the riser is broken) or too near (if the riser is intact ie approx 4,000 - 5000ft) from well A. For the riser wreck to be standing 1500ft above the seafloor, it could have only occurred as analysed in the CSI forensic of the DWH wreckage, see diagrams in

http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2010/08/14/4884549-dwh-blowout-csi-why-it-could-not-have-happened-as-reported-by-bp-

The first few ROV videos in May also showed the gas/oil gushing from a broken pipe in a seabed crater, which matched the coastguard log of 714 ft NW of Well A. My forensic analysis estimated 720ft. BP accidentally exposed the truth when they lied that burning DWH had drifted. DWH could not have drifted in calm weather and because there was no slack in the steel riser. The accurate distance of 714 ft could have only been calculated using coordinates obtained from the ROV. But the coordinates were measured close to BOP at seabed not at the burning DWH on the sea surface. So BP was caught lying - http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2010/09/15/5116468-bp-caught-lying-while-deepwater-horizon-burns-part-5-aomd.

The broken pipe dips into the ground towards the north with the open gushing end facing south. So oil was flowing from north to south. If there is no riser connection from Well A, 714ft further south, how could the gushing oil have come from the BOP at Well A? This is the most important discrepancy in BP's official story.

With these 4 main points, the whole picture becomes clearer. More conclusive evidences are provided by the 2nd underwater explosion, logs, MMS emails & application to spud etc in http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2010/09/12/5096273-conclusive-evidence-well-a-is-not-the-well-that-blew-up-on-20-april-part-3-aomd

Working backwards, it makes sense since Well A could not continue after the drilling rods were stuck by the formation cave-in at 4000-5000ft open bore. Then BP moved to Well B which again encountered problems and a near-blowout after drilling down to 13,100 ft. It had to stop and plugged the well 750 ft above the open bottom. To side track wide enough to avoid the problem zone, the well would miss the oil target. If the well was not sidetrack wide enough it would still have the same problem.

Thus, BP had to drill from a 3rd well location. There are some more evidences but these are the main points.

This 3rd well was not reported, and no permit applied for it. So it is not authorised.

BP tried to apply for it a few days before the blowout occured on 20 April 2010. But it was too late. In any case the blowout was so severe, there was no hope of sealing the well with a broken well head. So since Well A was leaking gas and oil (it was not properly plugged due to the stuck drilling rods) BP used well A to fool the world that it was the leaking well and pretend to "kill it". Well A was only 5000 ft. So they could kill it much earlier like in May. But they cannot pretend to kill well A in May when the 3rd well was still openly gushing oil out. The relief well C was not ready to kill it yet from the bottom. So BP had to pretend and wait until the Relief Well C can reach the bottom of the 3rd well.

If Well A was killed in May, and the sea still filled with oil, BP's Mass Deception would be exposed. IT is simple logic.

The main cause of the blowout was the gas-saturated weak sub-formation (GWSF) zone which did not allow the well to be properly cemented and sealed. That is why I am showing all the ROV evidences which confirmed there were massive losses of drilling mud and cement which resurfaced through the faults up to the seabed. The well-cementing had not effectively sealed the well annulus with the formation, allowing the drilling fluid (drilling mud, gas and some oil) to freely flow outside the well.

When the Equivalent Circulation Density (ECD) was lowered (replacing drilling mud with salt water) gas from the GWSF zone forced back into the well through the leaks and caused the blowout. But the initial blowout was not that strong - a lot of gas to cause the fire but the well head, BOP and riser were still intact. 2 days later, the bottom cement plug kaputt and this time the oil forced out from the reservoir like a "hydraulic piston". This toppled and broke the well head, jammed up the drilling rods and toppled the BOP. The steel riser of course broke off (as shown in my CSI illustration) into 2 parts to form the odd twisted, standing riser wreck.

This interpretation fits everything so perfectly, it cannot be wrong. Maybe some 10-20% details still missing but 80-90% right. BP's official version is very inconsistent and does not make any sense at all. That is why I do this analysis to prove that BP is lying and covering up the magnitude of the disaster.

  • 7 votes
Reply#13 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:44 PM EDT
eth-2299740

BK

Great summary!

I hope you add this on your main page too!!

  • 7 votes
#13.1 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:39 PM EDT
BK Lim

Yeah so many asking the same questions I thought they must have lost track over the months. Have to recompile them in a continuous flow otherwise it gets too confused. Wouldn't be a problem for those who had been following.

  • 6 votes
#13.2 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:53 PM EDT
BK Lim

I must have pasted twice, the summary repeats itself. Sorry.

  • 6 votes
#13.3 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:58 PM EDT
Danese

BKLim you have so many undercover haters I had to hire a private investigator for you. I fronted you but I want my money back with intrest. (lmaorotf)

  • 2 votes
#13.4 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:49 PM EDT
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inmycircle

The old aren't the only ones they want to kill off. There's the military, they're easy to get rid of, and there's the youth that will need mental health aid because of drugs. And we're going global. Those in other countries have to be done away with too. The first thing Obama did once in office was to send money to other countries for abortions. Do you think they've gone so far that they can't get the Jennie back in the bottle? Did they go further than they intended to when they caused job losses? What do you think?

  • 5 votes
Reply#14 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:34 AM EDT
eth-2299740

inmycircle

Job losses = dependence on govt, more unemployed means competition for jobs that exist leading to lower wages.

Poverty (possibly depopulation) plays important role if we are to submit ourselves to global governance.

It's all in the game plan. Many are starting to wake up to what is going on (including me), but have to admit we are in the minority.

  • 7 votes
#14.1 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:31 AM EDT
inmycircle

If they keep going like this there wont be any businesses left anywhere in the world. They don't understand about causes and affects.

  • 6 votes
#14.2 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:31 PM EDT
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eth-2299740

Well, well, well:

http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/bp-cleanup-supervisor-told-neighbors-only-hazmat-crews-be-allowed-areas-hit-storms-video

  • 5 votes
Reply#15 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:58 AM EDT
BK Lim

What can I say? What does HAZMAT stands for?

  • 6 votes
Reply#16 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:18 AM EDT
eth-2299740

BK

Hazardous materials - extremely dangerous/deadly!!

  • 6 votes
Reply#17 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:33 AM EDT
BK Lim

Silly me. Could not figure out what MAT stands for? Thought it was Materials-Abnormally-Toxic.

  • 7 votes
Reply#18 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:07 AM EDT
Danese

LMAO

  • 6 votes
#18.1 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:24 AM EDT
Danese

eating you know...what they eat and not treating them like cannibles and feeding a bird chicken wings. you gon pay for that

  • 2 votes
#18.2 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:00 PM EDT
Danese

((((Hi BKLim))))

  • 5 votes
#18.3 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:10 PM EDT
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Danese

Florida's p ill law

  • 6 votes
Reply#19 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:27 AM EDT
eth-2299740

Good one - correct too!!

  • 6 votes
#19.1 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:52 AM EDT
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Danese

stop feeding the pigeons cookies, bread, and what ever you had left over for lunch. I threw enough peas, rice, barley, corn, oranges, raisins, walnuts, almond, bananna (what's up high st), peanuts, lemon, lime, avacado to own a fruit and nut farm this summer.

  • 2 votes
Reply#20 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:03 PM EDT
BK Lim

Would recommend visiting the link below on the discussion of the ROV Video

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread587933/pg263#pid9724900

Okay this is interesting and more like the "natural gas seeps" we normally see at seabed. When I say natural I am only referring to the gas escaping and not the "high pressure hoses" going into the seabed.

It means there is a steady stream of gas – not a bubble type of fluid accumulation. That means the fissure is pretty narrow. Notice the jet stream is moving from one point to another in a linear manner. Also notice that the gas and some bubbles of oil goes straight up. That means very little dispersant and relatively still water; resulting in a “tornado” swirling column but only above the leak point.

  • 6 votes
Reply#21 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:53 PM EDT
eth-2299740

BK

Not to sidetrack this thread but I'm very concerned about the 3rd well gusher and what may be happening with it.

Wouldn't it continue to erode and weaken the well walls resulting in large amount of methane escaping into the stratum the entire length of the well. As each layer accumulates a build up of pressure can't it become a dangerous situation with potential for an enormous explosion that could cause an earthquake type effect? (not my words - but read this a long time ago)

What could be going on with this 3rd well?

  • 7 votes
Reply#22 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:57 AM EDT
eth-2299740

BK

"Given time, the circulating fluids will erode and create more permeable pathways and subsequently more gases."

Re-reading this I can see you "are" talking about the erosion in the 3rd well.

"Large submarine landslides can be induced if their seabed under-toe stability is compromised. The only question is the length of time - that is another prediction."

"If you ask me, I would say the situation is actually worse but less spectacular than gushing out an open well. At least with an open gushing well, the pressure does not build up in the fractured geology."

Like we discussed with so much information one gets lost from site to site.

However, I recalled some of your discussion on this and decided to go digging for your answers.

One person that posted on another site did believe it could build up and cause a earth shattering explosion. That is why I mentioned could it slowly leak into each strata causing pressure to build up and eventually explode.

But, there are so many unknowns we may be surprised at the ultimate outcome.

  • 6 votes
Reply#23 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:40 AM EDT
BK Lim

eth, I am answering #18 & #19 together.

As each layer accumulates a build up of pressure can't it become a dangerous situation with potential for an enormous explosion that could cause an earthquake type effect? (not my words - but read this a long time ago)

By the same reasoning that the geology is highly fractured & faulted, the chances of the gas/oil building up enormous pressure to cause a gigantic "BOOM" as you referred it, is unlikely. Because as soon as one pathway is blocked, another will give way. There is no unbroken continuous seal (bed) to accumulate that kind of pressure. I may be wrong but until I see the real seismic sections over the area I will reserve judgement and still go with the fractured/fault model.

Looking at the videos over at ATS, I am more than convinced that BP has been busily grouting the seabed; possibly along the fault lines. I suppose the reason is the same - concealment. Since they cannot prevent the seepage from coming through these fractures & faults, they are grouting them near the wells and spreading them further away.

Which bring me to the point made earlier. On the 22April after the 2nd explosion the coast guard log reported a large gas bubble near their base port, after their return. If you plot that location to the epicentre of the recent earthquake, the line cuts close to the edge of the Biloxi Dome where some of the gas plumes were reported. The gas bubble was large and significant enough to be reported by the coastguard. If there is a large major fault along this line, plus a few others I am investigating, we do not need the pathway to be block to build up one gigantic boom. Active seepage and corrosion (erosion more correct) along these pathways will lead to more oil and gas permeating to the upper shallow zone where they can do more damage.

For example, the downslope slide in the Whiting Dome had already been documented and studied. Forces of gravity is already at play. So you need very little under toe erosion to cause a major submarine landslide and a tsunami. The catastrophic "boom" you talk about may eventually happen but my guess is that these smaller catastrophes precede.

  • 7 votes
#23.1 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:09 PM EDT
eth-2299740

Thanks BK - Great explanation as usual.

Please ignore response below - was for sushicat not you.

  • 6 votes
#23.2 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:19 PM EDT
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sushicat

Okay eth and Danese,

Are y'all referring to the catastrophe mess in the Gulf of Mexico as an conspiracy? A conspiracy that BP intended for this mess to occur to control a part of the population or are y'all just playing around?

  • 6 votes
Reply#24 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:35 PM EDT
Danese

No. Everybody already know what happened in the Gulf of Mexico disaster. If you don't maybe you should go learn brail...I'm just trying to figure out why are they still blaming BP?

  • 1 vote
#24.1 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:03 PM EDT
eth-2299740

Danese

Funny - I never understood the context of many of your messages. Although now I see what you were up to. I guess BP shills come in all forms.

Thanks sushicat for shedding some light here.

  • 6 votes
#24.2 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:06 PM EDT
Danese

What do you mean up to. All you have to do is ask me to elaborate or explain because I am incapable of being understood... by law and on top of that I am diverse, so it's understandable if I come across as confusing. I might add that I am generally a direct person and 99% people get my character wrong so they always judge me wrong by thinking I am what they sum me up to be...and I'm not what they want me to be...I know most of the characteristics that I was born with but thats not important right now and it's none of their business. All that matters is when you start out right you end up right as long as you hold on to your right.

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#24.3 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:16 PM EDT
eth-2299740

Danese

If that were true sushicat wouldn't have asked you what you were up to.

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#24.4 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:21 PM EDT
Danese

uh huh

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#24.5 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:08 PM EDT
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eth-2299740

BK

Sorry if I seem flaky. I am jumping in and out of things all day long and devote a little time here and there (reason for so many comments on same thing).

However - There is no way I am taking this thing lightly.

I refer to you this video where Bob Cavnar talks about the doomsday scenario

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHszQjh5BQs&feature=player_embedded

and other people who believe the same thing.

That doesn't mean I don't believe what you are saying. It makes perfect sense.

But I relate everything to bible prophecy and I look at this as being potentially (not today - but eventually) the earthquake felt around the world - which is why I am trying to understand exactly what is going on down there. Although thanks to BP and Govt we might not know until it happens if this is IT.

My response

"Good one - correct too!!" was what you initially thought the MAT (Materials-Abnormally-Toxic.) part of what hazmat meant:) - not in reply to Danese.

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Reply#25 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:47 PM EDT
eth-2299740

sushicat - the response above is for you :)

I thought it was BK's comment - so you would have to go back through all my posts to understand it :)

BK

Don't know why sushicat reacted this way to my posts - hope it doesn't seem that way to you.

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#25.1 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:58 PM EDT
sushicat

eth,

I am just reading your posts, they are interesting, even Danese's. Your posts above eth sheds more light on the subject as I am not familiar with the earthquake idea.

This incidence has been far reaching in its effects. Corexit, Goldman Sacs, Enron, and BK's articles. It is something that should not be taken lightly, there is much more research to be done and even then we will not know the whole story.

I am not tossing out any one's ideas, I am just not familiar with some and would like fruther explanation. :)

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#25.2 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:07 PM EDT
BK Lim

eth, sushicat, danese

My internet was erratic yesterday and finally broke down last evening. I was not able to respond to later comments. But hey, this is an open discussion with no rules. We must remember, we are looking at BP's disaster using the ROV which is like using the microscope. The number of unknowns increases as we project it out to the large scheme of things - earthquakes, submarine landslides, climate change, sea current flows etc.

For sure BP's disaster will contribute to all the above; it is only a matter of degree, time and extent.

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#25.3 - Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:07 AM EDT
eth-2299740

BK

Interesting you should mention we are looking at this disaster using the ROV's, because I was just thinking about that.

You alluded to this before and I want to expand on it.

What does our govt do if they want to prepare us for something? IMO - they float balloons, or let things leak out.

Why is it they appear to be focusing so much on these explosions? More importantly why are they letting us see them? We know they have been hiding everything they can up to this point - so what is the point?

Are they preparing us for something - and when it happens can claim they didn't hide anything?

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#25.4 - Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:17 AM EDT
eth-2299740

sushicat

"I am just not familiar with some and would like further explanation"

Many of us here have been following for quite awhile.

I started in July - and can give you a quick summary of what I've discovered.

I'll do it point by point and will miss a lot since I am doing it by memory.

1) BP initially tried to do top kill, top hat or top whatever, and all failed.

2) Said could only be kill by relief wells - which would take months - because the well walls have collapsed and gas/oil leaking into formation.

3) Had to leave well opened - couldn't be capped - so would have to capture oil.

4) Rumor ( BP said to have captured enough oil to pay for entire spill)

5) Next thing all things they said they couldn't do - they did.

6) So now we know we are being deceived - but how?

7) All of a sudden they can do a static kill - but still need relief wells to do bottom kill

8) Static kill worked - didn't need releif wells , next did need relief wells, next didn't need releif wells , walls collapsed, walls not collapsed and so on and so forth.

9) Many suspect BP is dragging this thing on forever - in hopes the "real well" depletes itself, and all we are getting is a PR stunt.

10) BK has been posting articles all along that proves this is indeed a PR stunt.

11) No oil has leaked since static kill in August

12) Scientists finding new oil, huge oil plumes

13 ) Throughout all this until his untimely death Matt Simmons was trying to warn everyone about the 2nd well that drilled and is indeed open (BOP blown off) and gushing freely into the ocean, and that eventually this would lead to massive evacuations (in the event of a hurricane) of the gulf states because of all the toxic poisons being released into the ocean and air due to the use of dispersants.

BK has compiled an enormous amount of documentation proving the existance of this "rogue well" and it's disasterous effects on marine life and human life, and the continuing deception of BP to this day.

Will end here but may continue this when I return :)

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#25.5 - Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:14 AM EDT
BK Lim

eth #2.14

I am not really good in politics, economy and things like that. I think you are in a better position to from an opinion on this. From BP's side - it is a mass charade that is clear. Whether BP is pulling the present admin's leg or puppet strings or the Admin directing BP to do all these cover-ups in the large scheme of things, I honestly do not know.

But one thing is for sure, this thing is much larger than what it seems. And we better be prepared for it.

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#25.6 - Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:59 AM EDT
BK Lim

eth #2.15

A good point to point summary, easy to understand. Glad my long winded answers get paid off. I think it might be a good idea to periodically summarise what we discussed for the benefit of others who could not follow so closely time-wise.

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#25.7 - Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:02 AM EDT
eth-2299740

BK in reply to 21.6

"this thing is much larger than what it seems. And we better be prepared for it"

"Large submarine landslides can be induced if their seabed under-toe stability is compromised. The only question is the length of time - that is another prediction."

I think I was so focused on the 3rd well I was missing the forest through the trees.

I am still not sure of the enormity of the fault lines, but I am beginning to get the picture.

Could you (don't be worried about panicking me) describe the worst case scenario?

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#25.8 - Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:54 PM EDT
Danese

eth. Why would you say you are sorry for seeming to be flaky. Are you flaky or not? and, if you were not being flaky then what were you being? Nobody should have to be sorry for who they are?

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#25.9 - Thu Oct 14, 2010 1:36 PM EDT
BK Lim

Could you (don't be worried about panicking me) describe the worst case scenario?

Eth, I am saving this for future posting but since you asked, I will briefly touch on it. As you know, the reservoirs are capped by seal formations - mostly shale and many are structural traps (fault controlled). They are in equilibrium prior to the well reaching the reservoir. It is true that oil do not flow through faults cutting thru shale formation. The Macondo wells would not be having so many problems if the structure had been gentle and uniform. So in the worst case scenario (geological wise) as illustrated by my previous geological model, you already have a well-lubricated (freely flowing) hydraulic aquifer adjacent to the S20BC well. After flowing for at least 5 months, do you think the well that penetrated the reservoir is going to be a nice wellbore with no cave-ins?

Brine mixed with gas is a very effective erosion agent. Shale or Clay no matter how hard, cannot withstand water on contact. The gas provide the pressurised element. Given the freely lubricating flow, the well bore would have enlarged several times and new pathways permeated to the adjacent faults. The vertical structure I suspected is a Allochthonous Salt structure. It provides the initial pathway for the mud volcano to build on. The little mole hill I spoke of is the mud volcano hill built on top of the broad gentle uplifted landform.

I do not think BP was successful in the Relief well Kill at the bottom of the well. If you put 1 plus 1, you get a pretty good idea what I am talking about.

The upper formation and Quarternary Sediment are even more fragile. When all that oil get to the upper strata, more damage would be done. See my comments to Mac Mackenzie - http://www.facebook.com/home.php?email_confirmed=1 . Sooner or later the erosion will sets at the toes of the shelf edge escarpment. I hope a smaller submarine landslide is triggered first to awaken and warn the public. But by then it would have been too late to remedy the situation as the problems had already set too deep.

If the hydrate deposits above the stabilisation zone are as enormous as what the scientists think, the amount of methane gas vaporised by the warming oil would be a global warming problem. Let's not talk about Abiotic oil yet.

If we do not prosecute BP over the crime against humanity here, other oil companies would not sit up and tighten their failing HSE standards. The chances on another oil disaster is imminent. With so many knock-out punches coming online, you think Mother Nature stands a chance. Somebody wrote earlier that Nature would heal itself. So it is not only a question of this disaster but the implications of others to come.

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#25.10 - Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:28 PM EDT
sushicat

So maybe, we don't need to worry about California falling into the ocean as much as we need to worry about the Gulf coast ?

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#25.11 - Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:30 PM EDT
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eth-2299740

Fresh oil coming ashore:

http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/fresh-oil-coming-ashore-liquid-oil-surface-very-frightening-video

Another fingerprint (proof - 3rd well)

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Reply#26 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:32 PM EDT
eth-2299740

BK ref: 21.10

Thanks for the brief response and will look forward to anything you add to it.

"hope a smaller submarine landslide is triggered first"

I am wondering how would we ever know - until it gets out of hand, whatever that means.

Hopefully you will address this in the article.

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#26.1 - Sat Oct 16, 2010 11:58 AM EDT
BK Lim

eth

Check your email or ATS website. Explosive revelations yet to come. BP is not only seen to be killing the Gulf, BP is actually killing the Gulf. This is the first time in the history of oil exploration, that an oil company is being legally authorised to kill the environment so openly.

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#26.2 - Sat Oct 16, 2010 1:36 PM EDT
eth-2299740

BK

Read your comments and looked at some videos posted on ATS website. Impressive.

Do you think BP thought they had any chance to kill the S20BC well at all?

Yep, BP will be killing life and a way of life as we know it. Does give one pause why a govt would be so complicit.

TOD may be experiencing a mutiny :) Some regulars who care to open their eyes are asking the same question - if this well is killed - why so many leaks and explosions :)

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#26.3 - Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:49 PM EDT
BK Lim

ETH

This well from hell can never be killed. Most of us know that already. Like all things in life, if you cannot make it, then fake it. They are only trying to make the most "graceful exit" and hoping that nobody notices the "Emperor's magnificent Clothes" made of invisible golden threads.

Oil and methane coming out of the sea floor are "natural phenomena" and BP funded researches will show that the abundance of oil and methane in the Gulf was xxx times more than previously estimated.

Oil companies will also report gas seeps as "shallow biogenic occurrences" even though they are evidently from the reservoirs. Sigh .....!

Never in the history of human exploitation was so much power being given to a company to legally destroy Mother Earth’s environment while the World stood by so helplessly and so willingly be fooled.

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#26.4 - Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:19 PM EDT
BK Lim

ETH

If we do not wake up to this, then we never will.

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#26.5 - Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:21 PM EDT
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inmycircle

Wouldn't pumping oil relieve pressures that cause eruptions that cause earthquakes?

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Reply#27 - Wed Oct 13, 2010 4:45 PM EDT
eth-2299740

inmycircle

Believe you me I am no expert here and will defer to BK.

From the little I do know with an open gushing well - the walls of the well are continually being eroded. At some point in time from this erosion the walls will be thin enough for the gas and oil to break through into the formation. You can look at this video for Bob Cavnar's belief what will happen:

Bob Cavnar talks about the doomsday scenario - underground explosions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHszQjh5BQs&feature=player_embedded

Also, from another person whom I think is knowledgeable believes that if enough methane is "captured" in pockets in the strata (or each strata) - and it doesn't escape fast enough - we could have a doosey of an explosion from the pressure build up alone. This is years in the making - and he states is highly unlikely, but in BP's case it seems anything that can go wrong has and might continue to.

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#27.1 - Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:09 AM EDT
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BK Lim

Posted by: pino | June 4, 2010 Wherein Offshore Drilling Reduces Oil in the Oceans

And this is easy to blame on BP; heck, I am even blaming BP.

We are not blaming BP just because BP was the last one holding the short end of the stick. There are sufficient evidence (if the govt wants to) to hang BP for the many crimes they had committed under the shroud of secrecy. For a start, they drilled 3 wells instead of 1 and the 3rd was unauthorised,unapproved and unreported. If that is not illegal then what is.

The well that blew was 714 ft NW of Well A. BP lied by reporting that the Burning DWH moved (in calm w ater?) by itself. Giving false evidence is a crime by itself. The steel riser cannot extend that distance without breaking. In any case, the blown-out well could not have moved 714 ft NW from well A on the seabed.

To be clear, there may be micro-fault that we find. We may find, through investigations, that someone at some point failed to turn knob "A" or pull lever "B". There may be a valve that should have been there and wasn't. An order should have been given but wasn't. The specific failure will almost certainly be found. But that's not the blame I'm talking about.

The Macro-fault doesn't exist.

Pino, that is w here you are totally wrong. The micro-faults in so many systems could not have all developed suddenly all at one time. The fish rot from the head. Like a pyramid, the lower rung micro-faults must have sprung from a common source. BP's main fault was reckless exploration management that went like an express train bent on a collision course; irrespective of the feedback of near-misses, nightmare drilling a well from hell, massive drilling mud and cement losses, unreal geological expectations despite what the mudlogs are telling on the contrary, etc etc. These are the hallmark of a dangerous, greedy, aggressive and imprudent corporate that had been cited for numerous safety violations and past disasters.

If a drunk driver can be booked and jailed for being a potential danger to others, I do not see how a corporate drunken with power, bribery and greed complete with a proven record of being a hazard to the environment, workers and other inhabitants of this earth, can still be allowed to roam freely to cause hurt to others.

We know , w hen dealing w ith systems, there is going to be a failure at some point.

All systems w ill fail at one point due to poor regulations or w hen the controlling heads have failed to exert reasonable control and regulations. In a failed state like Zambia do you fault the individual citizens or do you fault President Mugabe w hich by the w ay had a PhD. Tony Hayward has a PhD in geology. BP's Macondo exploration project had clearly failed not in finding the oil but in its HSE management even by its own inhouse HSE standards (see http://bklim.newsvine.com/_new s/2010/09/14/5108635-one-month-late-5-days-before-blow out-part-4-aomd)

But the ironic thing? Off-shore drilling might actually reduce the amount of oil that finds its w ay into the ocean:

This is one of the silliest thing I have heard. If there is so much natural seepage, why would oil companies spend millions USD in trying to get oil from some of the harshest, deepest and inaccessible parts of the earth. Why go to war over oil? I have been working in the geohazards survey industry for 30 years. If there had been so much natural oil seepage I would know. The fact is less than 20% of all sites surveyed are in danger of any immediate shallow gas hazards. Oil is even less. In one seabed sediment sampling of over 200 cores, not even one had any visible oil traces.

This fallacy is being propagated and funded by BP in preparation for the vast amount of oil that will wash ashore in months to come after the runaway well had been supposedly killed and sealed. In reality, they had not. If not why would BP spend millions trying to grout the fissures in the vicinity of the Macondo Wells?

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Reply#28 - Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:40 PM EDT
Danese

wait till they read this. You are so intelligent. They need to just take it from you...you have the right answers. Like you do all the time:)

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#28.1 - Thu Oct 14, 2010 1:24 PM EDT
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