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The Gulf of Mexico is Dying -revised 2 Dec10 | Phoenix Rising from the Gulf

Seeded on Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:33 PM EST
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It is with deep regret that we file this report. We do not take this responsibility lightly, as the consequences of the following observations are of such great import and have such far-reaching ramifications for the entire planet. Truly, the fate of the oceans of the world hangs in the balance, as does the future of humankind.

It's not a pretty picture.

The various pictures, photos and diagrams that fill the many articles at the aforementioned website represent photo-evidence about the true state of affairs on the seafloor surrounding the Macondo Prospect in the Mississippi Canyon which is located in the Central Planning Area of the northern Gulf of Mexico. The very dynamics of the dramatic changes and continuous evolution of the seafloor have been captured in ways that very few have ever seen. These snapshots have given us a window of understanding into the true state of the underlying geological formations around the various wells drilled in the Macondo Prospect.

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BK Lim

An excellent article by Dr Tom that should spur the world to act and act fast. But do the govt of the first world countries care? Do the oil companies (other than BP) and the industry really care?

In all honesty and through the countless efforts I have tried to bring up the safety and data fraud issues - first among fellow colleagues, within the geohazards companies, to the consulting QC companies, to the oil companies and lastly to the governments and regulatory bodies in Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines, Indonesia and Australia; all efforts have been unsuccessful. Even in the months before the Montara Mega Oil Spill in Australia in August 2009 and Macondo BP’s Mega Oil Spill on 20 April 2010, our warnings of oil-related disasters due to an industry-wide apathy to Health, Safety & Environmental (HSE) issues all fell on deaf ears. This is a risky business with high stakes. But all the companies (from contractors to QC consultants to Oil companies to Regulators) had all been blinded by greed and high oil prices. The higher the oil prices, the less regard to HSE.

In the last 5 months, we have seen a similar reaction by BP, Anadarko, Transocean, Halliburton and the US Govt - APATHY.

  • 8 votes
#1 - Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:37 PM EST
Dowser

May I also add that it refers to bottom-line profits as well. What do they care? As long as they can make record profits...

ARGHHHH!

((((((((((((BKLim))))))))))))

  • 8 votes
#1.1 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 12:02 AM EST
Larry-1857406

As the corporations continue to poison the planet.....

They'll wake up, when their kids are born with two heads!

Somehow corporations believe that they are immune to their own destruction of this planet.

  • 10 votes
#1.2 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 12:47 AM EST
JAVE

President Obama and BP have both told us "No Problem." Would they lie?

  • 9 votes
#1.3 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 1:23 AM EST
Larry-1857406

President Obama and BP have both told us "No Problem." Would they lie?

LOL. You republican trolls on the Vine amuse me.

When did Obama say "No Problem"?

What I'm asking for is a link. Not just drivel.

  • 6 votes
#1.4 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 2:08 AM EST
truthlover

Here's what has happened: Presidential Commission on the Gulf Oil Spill gave BP a fairly clean bill of health for the spill:

A Wall Street Journal blog said he "all but acquitted BP of the gravest charge it faced."

And this report is wrong. Money and politics win again--forgetting that we all live on the same fragile planet.

  • 7 votes
#1.5 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:03 AM EST
BK Lim

truthlover,

I wanted to puke after reading the first few sentences. Wouldn't touch him even with a pole.

But there was Fred Bartlit, chief counsel for the Commission, saying, "to date, we have not found a single instance where human beings made a conscious decision to favor dollars over safety." A Wall Street Journal blog said he "all but acquitted BP of the gravest charge it faced."

  • 7 votes
#1.6 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:10 AM EST
Larry-1857406

Here's an article from the NY Times:

The companies involved in the Gulf of Mexico oil spill made several risky decisions to save time -- and consequently money -- ahead of the disaster, according to a document that was pulled at the last minute from a presentation of the president's oil spill commission

http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2010/11/23/23greenwire-missing-oil-spill-commission-document-shows-bp-17998.html

  • 4 votes
#1.7 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:17 AM EST
BK Lim

Bartlit's comments at the commission's meeting in Washington earlier this month seemed to defend those BP employees.

"We have not seen a conscious decision where human beings favored dollars over safety," Bartlit said. "We have not found a situation where we can say a man had a choice between safety and dollars and put his money on dollars. We haven't seen it" (Greenwire, Nov. 8).

Each of the companies involved in the disaster has attempted to shift blame for various bad decisions made as they prepare to defend themselves against lawsuits and possible criminal charges stemming from the blowout that killed 11 rig workers and sparked the nation's worst oil spill.

  • 4 votes
#1.8 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:57 AM EST
JAVE

When did Obama say "No Problem"?

Did the President say the Feds were in command and overseeing the spill response? Did the President have enough confidence in BP that they were given the responsiblity to clean it up? Did the Feds make the decision to use the dispersant? Has the President ever told us what will be done with all that oil laying on the bottom of the Gulf?

All that says "No Problem". If these are handled well it is "No Problem", when they are handled poorly it's "Someone Else's Problem". The President assured us that his team was calling the shots and didn't just privatize this disaster to BP. That is saying "No Problem".

  • 4 votes
#1.9 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 10:45 AM EST
eth-2299740

JAVE

I have to back you up on this one

The Pres did visit the gulf and say it was safe (HAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAA) to eat the food (HAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAA)

Yeppers - no problemo - tell that to the folks in the gulf who our govt (yes that includes the Pres) have abandoned TOTALLY!!

Read the articles on http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/ - that tells us about people starving, dying and suffering.

  • 5 votes
#1.10 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 10:58 AM EST
YotaJoshDeleted
Larry-1857406

Did the President have enough confidence in BP that they were given the responsiblity to clean it up?

Under the 1990 Oil Pollution Act BP was responsible for all cleanup costs. The law before the BP disaster also capped punitive damages at $75 million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_Pollution_Act_of_1990

President Obama had a historic meeting with BP and came out of it with an uncapped $20 billion fund for damages to the people in the gulf. Does that sound like the President had any confidence in BP? BP by the law at the time was only responsible for $75 million. I still don't know how the President did it, but BP readily agreed to it.

Did the Feds make the decision to use the dispersant?

The dispersants were used to keep the oil off the beaches. Anyone with any technical background knows the use of dispersants was just a cosmetic fix, but it did help keep the beaches from being fouled and losing that much more tourism for years.

Has the President ever told us what will be done with all that oil laying on the bottom of the Gulf?

There's nothing that can be done about that. It's a mile beneath the surface. That's for nature to take care of from now on.

Jave, you're typical of every other critic of this spill. It was the worst man-made disaster in this country's history. If you could have handled it better, I wish you would have offered up all your ideas.

Nevermind, you're just a critic of how it was handled. Hindsight is always spot on.

The President assured us that his team was calling the shots and didn't just privatize this disaster to BP.

The administration admitted up front that they didn't have the experience to handle the spill. Unfortunately, BP, with all their experience in deepwater drilling, didn't either. No plans were in place to handle a spill that occured a mile under the surface.

  • 3 votes
#1.12 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 11:09 AM EST
bore-head007

President Obama and BP have both told us "No Problem." Would they lie?

I wouldn't call that trolling Larry. I call it sarcasm at its finest!

Because, truthfully, Team Obama, which includes MMS, EPA, NOAA/NMFS,Interior,Dr, Chu, and all the other "Take over the Ocean from Fishermen",wine and cheese crowd, only to hand it to Corporate America, to exploit even further, lied to the world as a united front. This administraton has not only sold out fishermen on a variety of issues, they have sold out every American that considers themselves environmentalists.

To add insult to injury, the Big Green Eco Machine, has also sold out the grassroot environmentalists, in favor of the almighty Oil dollar.

  • 6 votes
#1.13 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 1:27 PM EST
Larry-1857406

Because, truthfully, Team Obama, which includes MMS, EPA, NOAA/NMFS,Interior,Dr, Chu, and all the other "Take over the Ocean from Fishermen",wine and cheese crowd, only to hand it to Corporate America

Obama gave the ocean to corporate America?

God, if you're going to troll you need to get informed to at least make it believable. LOL

  • 2 votes
#1.14 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 1:30 PM EST
eth-2299740

Heck - I would refer to BP as being part of corporate America

  • 5 votes
#1.15 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 1:38 PM EST
bore-head007

Larry! You don't think that I would post somethng I couldn't back up, do you???

You throw the T word around an aweful lot!

At the very least, before you accuse someone of spouting random notions, and,(God forbid!) trolling, at least be smart enough to pull up my column, and see what I'm about!

  • 6 votes
#1.16 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 1:47 PM EST
Larry-1857406

You throw the T word around an aweful lot!

Because there are a lot of T's on this blog. And they're usually (R)'s.

Larry! You don't think that I would post somethng I couldn't back up, do you???

LOL. So back it up. I can't wait. And how about showing some links to back up your comments.

  • 4 votes
#1.17 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 1:55 PM EST
bore-head007

I am ashamed of both sides, with the exception of the thirty five, or better, bi partisan politicians, that are standing together on an issue I know nothing about. The fishing industry.

http://bore-head007.newsvine.com/_news/2010/11/01/5388850-ted-stevens-may-be-dead-but-his-virus-is-effecting-every-american

http://www.gloucestertimes.com/local/x20128517/Suit-cites-NOAA-sham-in-catch-share-scheme

Those should get you started! Here's a few more.

http://bore-head007.newsvine.com/us-news. Around 450 articles, 99% fishing industry.

This is good stuff. You could learn some stuff you don't know about, through no falt of youur own. This stuff has been buried by special interest groups, fueled by, Who else? Big Oil!

http://www.fishnet-usa.com/NOAA_Inaction.htm

http://www.fishnet-usa.com/FishAndOil.htm

http://www.fishingnj.org/welcome.htm

http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2010/11/04/5408057-bp-gulf-oil-catastrophe-you-need-to-hear-read-this-again

http://bore-head007.newsvine.com/_news/2010/10/07/5253992-a-buddy-of-mine-had-something-to-say

http://bore-head007.newsvine.com/_news/2010/08/22/4945986-noaa-ever-heard-of-em-who-are-they-what-do-they-do

Hit the bold words to open relevant links! Happy reading. I took the time to get this for you, Larry. Please read some of it. Oh! Just one more, its an important one.

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=31564

  • 6 votes
#1.18 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 2:39 PM EST
bore-head007

Larry, this is a Who's who, of those that are doing what I said, Corporatizing the oceans.

http://www.aafcseafood.org/environmentalists.htm

  • 6 votes
#1.19 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 2:47 PM EST
Larry-1857406

I am ashamed of both sides, with the exception of the thirty five, or better, bi partisan politicians, that are standing together on an issue I know nothing about. The fishing industry.

Let's continue this conversation on your newsvine thread, the top link, referring to Stevens and Murkowski. I've started my conversation tracker on it.

Here's something for you to read on the trip over--from worldfishing.net:

According to an official announcement by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), in June 2009 President Obama committed his administration to “integrated and comprehensive national ocean policy, incorporating programs to help rebuild fisheries and sustain fishermen, communities and vibrant working waterfronts, including the cultural and resource access traditions”.

This strategy comprises the introduction of “well-designed catch shares”, and since “catch shares may not be the best management option for every fishery or sector, NOAA will not require their use in any particular fishery or sector, but it will promote and encourage the careful consideration of catch shares as a means to achieve the conservation, social and economic goals, etc”.

http://www.worldfishing.net/features/ben-yami/obama,-lubchenko-and-catch-shares-who-benefits

See ya at your column.

  • 2 votes
#1.20 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 3:17 AM EST
BK Lim

Dowser,

We are locked up in this desperate over-dependence on oil because of the deliberate delay in transitioning to a new energy. Even as soon as the prospect of a new energy is viable, the price of oil will drop. There is definitely a deliberate and concerted effort to keep Us Hooked On OIL to keep the oil companies hugely profitable and maintain their grip on the economy and people.

  • 4 votes
#1.21 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 11:38 AM EST
BK Lim

Dowser, I totally agree with you at #1.1

  • 2 votes
#1.22 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 1:01 PM EST
Dowser

I agree, BK-- it has been going on for years and years, and is only getting worse!

  • 3 votes
#1.23 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 6:40 PM EST
Reply
etva

Cheeseball. I'll be back to read this tomorrow;)

  • 6 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 12:30 AM EST
etva

Good morning BK. Thank you for this seed.

Should the truth seep out into the mass consciousness – that the GOM is slowly but surely filling up with oil and gas – certainly many would rightly question the integrity, and sanity, of the whole venture, as well as the entire industry itself. And then perhaps the process would begin of transitioning the planet away from the hydrocarbon fuel paradigm altogether, if it’s not already too late.

This paragraph really caught my attention, because I think it failed to address, perhaps the biggest problem. The American public is not so stupid as to not understand that the spill will have huge consequences - even my mother gets that, which really surprised me. But she like many others is choosing to turn away from the pictures and reality. Her words to me, "I know it's serious, but I just can't deal with this right now."

I think many of us have purposely chosen to believe the lies, because we are afraid to deal with the reality, and the stupidity that brought us to this point. In listening to my mother's beliefs, she seems to think that by believing the lies, she will not be responsible for the consequenses, and when they do show up, she can just blame everyone else -- so she really doesn't see it as "her problem."

If we want the truth to be accepted into the "mass consciousness," then we have to find a way to connect with these people, who are too horrified to "look."

  • 6 votes
#2.1 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 7:47 AM EST
BK Lim

etva

After being indoctrinated for decades, it is understandable to "ignore" the truths. In every turning points in our lives, there will be hesitation but truth has a way of gradually shinning the light in our lives - that would be better than if the truth is turned on like a spotlight. It would be a shock or total outright rejection.

I too have considered this and did not reveal everything in one go. Imagine 5 months ago if I had said the same things, there is a high risk I would be totally rejected. When the time is ripe, the message will be accepted. No force is required. All we can do meanwhile is to allay the fear of the unknown.

  • 2 votes
#2.2 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 1:53 PM EST
Reply
bore-head007

Apathy is right! Its almost as if it never happened. This should shake something up, though. I hope. The only thing that they have convinced me of is the real possibility of collusion of the interacting parties, all motivated by their own agendas, with the general agenda of it going away. They have all lied. Thad Allen said anything Lubchenco said to say, and every guvmint agency lied.

Now that the stuff is fracking out of the ground, yes, it will continue, and yes, it will get worse. This is very bad news, B.

  • 7 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 12:31 AM EST
GraysonS

The horrible truth about the gulf spill is that fixing it, and preventing future spills, would be a massive job killer and, in the current political climate, no one can spend the political capital to do it.

  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 12:38 AM EST
BK Lim

GraysonS

I have to disagree with you there.

How does fabrication of an authorised inspection/installation report of a critical failsafe system be a massive job killer? Basically it is a private corrupt arrange two criminal parties to skip the inspection and put in a false report. Safety Fraud and Data Fraud is a striving multi-million "under-the-counter industry within an industry" - a parasite of society that eats away the strength and health of the host industry.

If a manager steal money from the bank, it will show in the account. But in the Safety & Geohazards industry, money is literally made out of thin air. For example who is to argue if a manager says you need 5 security guards instead of 2 to safeguard a cash trans-shipment. If the cash arrived safely, nobody would bother whether the trans-shipment was actually guarded by 2 or 3 or 5 guards unless you have a pesky Account Inspector to physically follow the transshipment to match the number of guards with the salary paid out.

Now change the scenario to an offshore operation. If the Fire Detection & Fire fighting system was faulty and had not been inspected. Who would know except the QC inspector who was supposed to verify and check it, right? What happens if the QC Inspector just ticked and signed on the inspection sheet without even going onboard the vessel? There is this phenomenon called "look the other way" since time immemorial. See no crime and report no crime.

What happens if 500 km of lines were surveyed instead of 1000km? There are many many ways of making money out of thin air because our present system of check and balance depends very much on the QC on ground.

I could just sleep in my cabin and just sign the daily QC reports without a care in the world. The data could be fabricated for all I care and the well drilled successfully without any incident. Nobody would bother to actually audit the "leaks and magic money" flowing through the system because everybody is happy. Until one day a disaster like BP's Mega Oil spill happens. But you think all those crooks who had it easy all the time is going to come out to admit all the "partying" they have been having? So if you think only the faulty BOP and alarm systems are the only thing wrong or the cause of the disaster, you are way wrong. It is only the tip of the iceberg. There are so many hidden faults that are not yet revealed.

Not doing your QC duties diligently is a form of corruption. There are lots of scapegoats and lots of time to fabricate data when filing the incident reports. Dead crew members tell no tales. History is after all written by the victors. Okay so we identify the short comings - add more regulations, add more guards, add more km in the geohazards survey add more ..... and the culprits have more opportunities to make even more dirty money.

Just like BP's official and the Presidential Investigations - we are barking up the wrong tree. It is the enforcement and the morality issues. But the fish rots from the head. There is no point catching the tail. Those who stood up to reveal the truth are gunned down. Kill the messenger - it happens thousands of years ago and it is still with us. Period!

  • 9 votes
#4.1 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 2:31 AM EST
GraysonS

How does fabrication of an authorised inspection/installation report of a critical failsafe system be a massive job killer?

Because you and me both know that the agency has no authority to enforce any kind of corrective or recuperative penalties upon BP. Attacking them for their actions would be, legally, fruitless and, politically, would be seen as attacking big industry during an economic downturn.

It would cause any official that does it great harm, and would gain them absolutely nothing.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not justifying a damned thing. But let's be honest about what's going on, because that is the only way that we can change the situation.

No amount of revealing the harm inflicted will change the fact that admitting who the bad guys are is really bad politics, in this country.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't speak up about it. I'm just saying that the root of the problem is not what you think it is. It is not so simple a matter as to alert people to what harm has been done. The harm is awesome. The harm that has been caused should be enough to make any of us get a little bit dizzy. The reason it doesn't is because of a political climate, and that is your real enemy.

  • 2 votes
#4.2 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 2:50 AM EST
truthlover

Thanks for the great (but infuriating) seed. This is very important material. It is very scary too. I'll do my bit today and clip it to a bunch of groups. Good work.

As for jobs, a green economy would create many more jobs than we currently have.

  • 5 votes
#4.3 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 2:53 AM EST
GraysonS

As for jobs, a green economy would create many more jobs than we currently have.

Totally agree but, to accomplish it? You'd first have to get past everyone selling oil. And doing that? That will either take a long-ass time, or a butt-load of killing people.

  • 1 vote
#4.4 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 2:56 AM EST
BK Lim

The reason it doesn't is because of a political climate, andthat is your real enemy.

GraysonS,

I fully agree with you there. Politics had been funded by dirty oil money since the beginning and no untainted politician can get through the "oil swamp". It is all inter-related and political power comes from the people who had been hypnotised by the mainstream media who are funded by ....

We have to break the cycle and I think waking up the mass is one small step - not the whole solution but one small step.... that's what I think.

  • 5 votes
#4.5 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:21 AM EST
BK Lim

To add, we need to shift to alternative sources of energy. But the same greed and corruption will also follow and proliferate in whatever new energy industry. So ultimately the slow medicine is to inculcate the integrity and moral values in the working population.

  • 4 votes
#4.6 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:24 AM EST
GraysonS

In my opinion, the one and only real fix is campaign finance-reform. Give candidates a set amount of air-time, and allow them not a single second more, no matter how much money they do or don't have.

  • 1 vote
#4.7 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 3:53 AM EST
BK Lim

Yes GraysonS. That would be best. Nothing is for free. Political campaign donation without expectation? That will be the day.

  • 3 votes
#4.8 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 4:55 AM EST
Dowser

We can all wish, though, right? :-)

  • 2 votes
#4.9 - Fri Dec 3, 2010 2:41 PM EST
Reply
LifeTravler

So, what can "little people" like me do?

  • 5 votes
Reply#5 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 2:05 AM EST
BK Lim

LT

First thing I would do is to contact DR TOM - the Coordinator / President of the Gulf Oil Spill Remediation Conference
OilSpillSolution@comcast.net

We need the numbers and the coordinated efforts to move the "mountain".

  • 8 votes
#5.1 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 2:37 AM EST
LifeTravler

Thanks BK. Port Fourchon is still inaccessible. The police blockade there still exists. There is no entry allowed to Elmer's Island either.

  • 4 votes
#5.2 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 1:11 PM EST
BK Lim

Thanks for the info LT. If there is nothing to hide, why are these places inaccessible? ( I presume they were accessible before the disaster).

  • 4 votes
#5.3 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 1:55 PM EST
LifeTravler

Yes, both places were very much accessible before the disaster. I was just out there Sunday night. They're still cleaning up.

  • 2 votes
#5.4 - Wed Dec 8, 2010 7:04 AM EST
BK Lim

Thanks LT for the update.

  • 1 vote
#5.5 - Wed Dec 8, 2010 12:23 PM EST
Reply
Hempluva

My friend and I have this morbid rally cry we say when we get hopeless. "Throw it in the ocean!!"

It hurts physically whenever I say it but it is a cynical shout at contemporary society. We know the Earth is @!$%#ed and that my kids (he has none) are gonna live in a toxic waste dump.

Thank God that the CEOs of this world will be able to live like royalty while the rest of us are forced into ever smaller pockets of livable space.

Thanks GOP, thanks teabaggers, thanks conservatives!! Corporate world couldn't have ruined Earth without you!!

  • 4 votes
Reply#6 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 2:43 AM EST
Hempluva

At least the republicans' bright idea that international corporate thieves should never pay taxes has resulted in a glut of jobs here in the US.../s

  • 4 votes
Reply#7 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 2:46 AM EST
eth-2299740

Greed and corruption (rangel, waters etc) doesn't stop at party lines. They are all bought and paid for by TPTB (the powers that be).

BTW - Obama was biggest recipient of BP cash.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html

If these people aren't wealthy before they enter congress, they get wealthy while they are there.

According to this senator caught on a hot mic - It's all rigged.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/11/30/senator_on_lame_duck_session_its_all_rigged.html

  • 3 votes
#7.1 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 11:21 AM EST
bore-head007

eth, he sold his sole to EDF, also. This is where Jane Lubchenco was dredged up.

Hempluva, the party of no, continues to obstruct. Thats how they read the elections. Let the rich off the hook, and @!$%# the poor people. Today, they hold dems, and long term unemployed, hostage. I'm bettin someone from Kentucky takes out that turnip McConnel, over the Ule season. Its a conflict of interest to not increase the taxes to the rich, because they ARE the rich!

  • 5 votes
#7.2 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 1:34 PM EST
Reply
DEATHNELL J.

Start pumping that sucker out and relieve the pressure... Seems to be the "lesser" of the two evils. Why let it continue to seep? Something has to be done, any ideas?

  • 6 votes
Reply#8 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:26 AM EST
BK Lim

You are right, Deathnell. Many are starting to warm up to that idea see my explanation #17.

  • 2 votes
#8.1 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 1:58 PM EST
Reply
Hempluva

I suppose the Gulf residents deserve what they voted for. Un-checked corporate free for all will eventually turn the GOM into a third world sewer.

Well done conservatives/ teabaggers/ republicans!!!

What will you ruin next?

  • 5 votes
Reply#9 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:26 AM EST
BK Lim

hempluva

Tony Hayward heading to Sakhalin. That would be the next place of ruin.

  • 4 votes
#9.1 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:34 AM EST
eth-2299740

hempluva

Kinda crass - gulf people deserve it!!

Since you appear to be bashing tea party people - please provide evidence they had a part in what has happened in the gulf, or anywhere else for that matter.

Also please provide evidence that over the years it was exclusively a republican/conservative administration that is responsible for the complete ruin of our nation.

Whose responsible for all the unemployment, foreclosures? What party was in power that weakened our financial regulations and repealed the glass-steagall act?

http://mortgageblues.us/news/398 - Pres Clinton - Dems that's who!!

"The repeal of the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933 effectively removed the separation that previously existed between Wall Street investment banks and depository banks and has been blamed by some for exacerbating the damage caused by the collapse of the subprime mortgage market that led to the Financial crisis of 2007–2010.[4] The potential to make enormous profits trading mortgage-backed securities with artificially high ratings[5] encouraged banks to take on otherwise intolerable risk in the form of bad loans. The ease with which people were obtaining home loans contributed to an artificial housing boom and exacerbated the inevitable decline..."

In other words BIG BIG Business!!

Why do some people insist on bringing an axe to grind to every forum - GEESH!!

  • 3 votes
#9.2 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 11:51 AM EST
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BK Lim

That was what we are advocating. Same with using oil, we do not have to stop altogether all at once. Everything in moderation and a slow but surely solution gives time for adjustment and adaptation. A total and immediate ban of anything is detrimental and counter-productive.

  • 7 votes
Reply#10 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:30 AM EST
eth-2299740

BK

This is a repost because it was for this very article.

Thanks for the article BK - answered a few questions I had.

But there are others based on these statements:

"Methane gas mixed with water and mud makes for a very potent corrosive agent. Under high pressure it will find every point of egress through the rock and sediment formations all the way up to the seafloor where it will find any point of exit that is available. The longer and more forcefully that it flows throughout the fractured area, which is dependent on both the volume, temperature and pressure at the sources of the hydrocarbons, the more its corrosive effects will widen, broaden and enlarge the channels, cracks and crevices throughout the sub-seafloor geology, thereby creating a predicament that no science, technology or equipment can remedy.

When you add the constant vaporization of methane hydrates/clathrates both sub-seafloor as well as those scattered around the seafloor surface, this devolving situation becomes that much more difficult to effectively remedy. With the resulting shifts and resettling and reconfiguration of the entire geological terrain and underlying strata occurring in the wake of these dynamics, we are left with a situation that is not going to get better"

Questions:

We know several things are taking place

1. Erosion taking place along vital fault lines - because oil/methane/mud/sand mixture will find easiest egress.

2. There are by now countless fractures that exist near the macondo well - all increasing in size.

3. Other wells are now seeping and joining this compostion making it oil/methane/mud/sand/gas (and anything else picked up along the way).

My questions are - based on your highly qualified background can you estimate the timeframe before we feel the very serious effects of erosion/subsidence? How much will this increase the earthquake activity along the fault lines since we are already seeing these rare events? And lastly (because much information now exists on "real situation") what will happen when an enormous part of the seafloor collapses because it exists on a salt dome?

TIA

  • 2 votes
Reply#11 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 6:39 AM EST
BK Lim

eth:

....estimate the timeframe before we feel the very serious effects of erosion/subsidence? How much will this increase the earthquake activity along the fault lines since we are already seeing these rare events? And lastly (because much information now exists on "real situation") what will happen when an enormous part of the seafloor collapses because it exists on a salt dome?

We need to have some quantitative measurements to answer your questions.

The stresses in the faults had been locked up from past tectonic movements. As the faulted pathways are eroded by the escaping oil-gas-brine fluid, there will be adjustments which triggered the stress-releases at the south-western ends of the New Madrid fault line. There is also differential movement between the younger-softer sediment sequence from the harder lower crust. The earthquakes are lower magnitude and shallower.

If we can correlate these events, then we can have some estimates. Alternatively survey the site and measure the visible changes in the bathymetry, gashes, crevices etc I have always wondered why such surveys, quantitative instrumentation and monitoring were not commissioned immediately after the disaster. This is not normal; as if BP was not really interested in the actual cause of the blowout.

The shelf edge and the domes all have very steep slopes. It would not take much to cause instability. If the under-toe erosion results in small incremental landslides, the danger of tsunami is minimal. Again the scars - pattern, nos and dimensions would give some clues to the rate of erosion and their effect. The real danger of tsunami is when the sub-seabed erosion is deeper and concentrated at a confined zone; resulting in a large massive submarine slide. A large mass displacement (like the Whiting Dome) at one sudden moment would generate a tsunami hitting the whole Gulf.

  • 2 votes
#11.1 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 3:07 PM EST
eth-2299740

Thanks BK.

The answers you supply are something the people of the gulf should be aware of - IMHO.

Thing is - if what you are saying occurs that doesn't end anything. The erosion will continue and who knows where it will lead to if it continues for years.

  • 2 votes
#11.2 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 3:30 PM EST
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eth-2299740

BK

Wonder if this is true since it is reported Norway experiencing coldest weather in 222 years. Plus other stories where countries are/were having arctic type weather.

BTW BK - you are referenced in this quote:)

http://lupocattivoblog.wordpress.com/2010/09/29/life-on-this-earth-just-changed-the-north-atlantic-current-is-gone/

Dr. Deagle: The evidence has come in from ROV video and other experts such as Matt Simmons, BK Lim, and Lindsay Williams and my own anonymous whistleblowers from inside the closed circle of Cameron Ironworks, Tranocean Marine , Oceaneering International. My source provided very solid info re the ROV analysis by Oceaneering engineers that the BOP Blow Out Preventer was ‘modified’ and never had hydraulics to close the BOP. BP knew that the field had dangerous high levels of methane, hydrogen sulphide, and pressures exceeded any valve technology as the current state of the art. The seeps continue along a fractured fault line from the Macondo well site where evidence presented by BK Lim that the only well of three that reached the abiotic batholith ocean of oil and gas was never capped or stopped and has continued to leak along the ocean floor and inject oil and gas and tar into the rock strata.

  • 3 votes
Reply#12 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 6:47 AM EST
Gaynel

There is nothing good coming from any of this. People are so caught up in simply trying to pay their bills that it makes it difficult to do much else. I am just a little old lady on disability who does a little posting online. Sometimes my computer doesn't cooperate, my internet service gets hung up like dogs in heat. Coincidence? Probably, but it wouldn't surprise me. When I posted on the violence in Matamoros (on the southern most tip of Texas) I could not get online for days. There were over 50 people killed in one day, and not a word in the news. I'm also looking into gas drilling in Arkansas. I have not been able to determine how many wells there are here. Why? I want to know how a metal scrap yard operator gets a liscense to open and operate an incinerator for well drilling sludge. Less than 5 miles from my home. The only one in the state as far as I can tell. This really scares me.

Thank you BK for this article. Please remain diligent. If there is ever anything that I can do, please allow me to help.

  • 6 votes
Reply#13 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 11:48 AM EST
BK Lim

Thank you Gaynel.

Our concern is that this BP's mega oil disaster may be the first of many more to come. If wars had been engineered to benefit the few at the expense of the masses, as a means of destruction to rejuvenate an ailing economy, then "manufacturing disasters" as a means of modifying demographics may not be as far fetched as initially thought.

BP's disaster is significant in that the evidences of bad intentions are all documented and laid bare for all to see. They had relied on mass deception (which had worked well so far) and had never expected anyone from the industry (a geohazards specialist) to spring out of nowhere. As I have said before, we in the oil industry are all just too well paid and too comfortable "to pop the whistle".

Speaking of that let me tell you a real story. In the mid-nineties, Shell was required to hand over their Baram Concession to the state oil company Petronas Carigali at the end of their exploration right period. Shell had been operating for the last 30 years. Naturally, Shell workers had to transfer employment to Petronas Carigali to continue working in the Baram area or accept Shell's retrenchment. It was an open secret that Shell increased the salary of the workers so high that no-one would transfer over to Petronas Carigali. Petronas Carigali could not match Shell's renumeration since it would create a havoc & huge anomaly within its own salary structure. PC's long term staffs transferred to Baram and working side by side with Shell's employees earn less than 1/3 the Shell's staffs they oversee. Things were so bad that Petronas (the Parent Regulatory Company) had to issue a moratorium that Shell cannot employ any ex-PC staff for work in East Malaysia. Since you cannot operate Malaysia's largest Crude Oil terminal without the essential staffing, Petronas had no choice but to continue the operation - as Baram Joint Operation where Shell essentially runs the operation as a sole contractor to Petronas Carigali till this day. Of course it doesn't cost Shell a thing since the higher operation cost is just passed back to the National Oil company as higher exploration & Operating expenses.

Same thing is happening at the Gulf. BP pays only 65% of the recovery costs ( Anadarko and Mitsui foot the rest). But BP can pad up the recovery costs with Idling Rigs (last time we counted - 4) and other unknown fictitious operation costs. All these are tax deductible and not easily accounted for. See my previous posting on

http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2010/11/09/5438040-has-the-post-disaster-recovery-program-become-a-profitable-scam-part-iiic-of-root-causes

Oil business is dirty business. Over dependence on Oil has made it the Greasing Power of Corruption & Greed and the choice weapon to control nations. Good turned to Evil.

  • 3 votes
#13.1 - Sun Dec 5, 2010 1:09 AM EST
Gaynel

BK Lim - Thank you for taking the time to respond. Sir, I presume, you are preaching to the choir. My husbands father was a geolist in the oil industry his whole career, he even went to Cuba back in the day. He worked for Loyd Benson and was familiar with the Hunt brothers in the sixties and that silver market manipulation. My bother-in-law has also worked in the field all his life so I have been exposed to the industry on levels that most people don't see. Certainly not at your level or even close, but if you compare your knowledge and mine, both at very different levels of operation, you really get the biggest view of all out corruption. It (drilling industry) is just bloated with waste, greed, and ignorance.

Yes, the oil and gas industry is like a secret boys club that certainly take care of their own when it's expedient. In this very scary segment of history, that alone makes it even more difficult to make light the many devious things they represent. They've positioned themselves well.

I have been pretty sick the past 2 weeks with the strangest cold/flu/? that I have not been able to do things that I need to. Please keep up your diligence and know that you are not alone. If I can be of any help.................

  • 3 votes
#13.2 - Sun Dec 5, 2010 11:04 AM EST
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Danese

Bk Lim you are naturally born intelligent. You make a great spokesperson as well and what makes you special is the fact that your priorities, when it comes to humanity as a whole are right on point. You nice wit it Yo.

  • 5 votes
Reply#14 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 2:17 PM EST
Danese

All Americans love each other. central, south, north, east, west, midwest.

UNITED STATES AMERICA

WHAT STATE OF MIND ARE WE IN

the united one

harmony, balance, all right

  • 3 votes
Reply#15 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 4:23 AM EST
Danese

Where is Jim Carey when I need him. He's the only person that could make me laugh my tail off right. Can you do a stand up on you tube please. Get the stepbrother and colaborate.. laugh the beat hate off of cry everytime. woo woo woo woooooo. In the name of bull s__t weed I will stand up and fight for the innocence of my fellow good government officials

  • 3 votes
Reply#16 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 5:03 AM EST
BK Lim

Answer in Respond to Tom's remarks on 1 Dec10 4:41 am

This piece started with integrity and devolved into a oil based “Inconvenient Truth.” It ends up no better the Al Gore does with his climate warming gambit. To take what happened in the GOM and conjecture that the same is happening everywhere oil wells exist is the same non-science that AGW people use. ........

I wasn’t really sure where you were heading to in your first comment. I take AGW to be the abbreviation for Al Gore’s Global Warming. If you are wondering or poking for evidence that our work has been funded by some vested AGW interests, be informed that you are just wasting your time. We were all drawn together by our common quest to unearth the truth and our disgust for the unscrupulous profiteering and exploitation of our home planet through covert means disguised as economic development, technical advancement, safety, political stability, poverty eradication and all other good intentions.

It may be hard for those with selfish interests working purely on monetary rewards (be it from oil companies or the global warming syndicate or the CO2-carbon Tax advocates) to understand but there are millions if not hundreds of millions out of the 6 billion people on this planet who care enough not to forsake their integrity, conscience and humanity if they only know whole truth. That is why they (the powers that be, TPTB) are so scared of the truth. See how they panicked on news of the wikileaks because beneath the “powdered and whitewashed” complimentary messages were the raw ugly truths.

As Howard T Lewis and many others had pointed out, decades of indoctrinations by vested interests had kept the population divisive, apart and bickering in order for the “evil few” to pull the puppets strings, to plot political and economic schemes behind the turmoil. Divide and Rule. How many of the “explosive bombs” of racial resentment, social discontentment, political differences and religious sentiments had been initially sparked by those who had to the most to profit?

That’s why whenever a truth movement gets traction, there is so much “dirt and half-truths” dumped on it to prevent it from ever sprouting beyond its infancy. Who is more dangerous? Tony Hayward of BP who was ultimately responsible for the Mass Destruction in the Gulf or Julian Assange of Wikileaks for whistle-blowing? Why was warrant of arrest issued for Julian Assange and not the other?

When I first started to study and analyse the BP’s mega oil disaster, many wrote to me about the conspiracy to bum off the population at the gulf for a sinister reason. I could not believe then that such a grand evil scheme could be conceived much less executed. Now, after 5 months I am not so sure. “Accidental Disaster” could be a new way of getting out of a financial crisis for a company in a tight spot. Arson which had been the conventional favourite is now easily identified by forensic investigation. Financial scams like Madoff, Enron, Countrywide and other fraudulent tricks had been used and dried up. Offshore disasters look like an interesting and attractive option to exploit given the impunity status.

There had been persistent rumors of “empty” survey vessels being sunk for insurance claims. Underwater equipment “deliberately lost” at sea can be another lucrative mode of compensation since the internal components are more valuable than the rusted shells of mal-functioned equipment. “Accidental Disaster” could have been manufactured and there are enough people in the industry blinded by short financial incentives to look the other way. Welcome to the age of “Mass Deception & Robbery in broad daylight”.

“This piece is a condemnation of carbon fuels, not of the oil industry “as it could be” with adequate research and development for safer practices.”

NO this article was not written in support of one industry over another as you (TOM) have tried to insinuate. It is written to bare the truth, to convince people of the unthinkable; that people could be evil enough to cover up their crime of mass destruction and not think of the future disastrous consequence of their actions. Most of us cannot fathom the abyss of immorality we have sunk ourselves into, in the pursuit of insane material wealth, power and position. Our revelations are supposed to wake up the population into taking actions and giving Mother Nature a helping hand in the right direction. Those of us who worked hard on this cause sacrificed more than you can imagine. We give without the expectation of financial returns, rewards or coercion. Nothing is more powerful than that.

More than 100 years of over-dependence on oil has proliferated sufficient viral parasites to control the top management of the oil industry to bring it to the present ZOMBIE state of health; looks good on the outside but rotten to the core. I am speaking from experience here. There are enough regulations, researches and safety procedures for the oil industry to operate safely. But that is not the real problem. It is the enforcement of these regulations, the prostitution of principles and integrity, the self preservation and greed that had permeated industry-wide. If you are in the industry and are still oblivious to all these, then you are like 90% of the oil industry employees – too highly paid and too afraid to lose the material wealth and creature comfort especially in today’s uncertain economic times.

The same corruption, prostitution and parasitic control would also set in at any industry over-depended by the world like oil is. If water is as limited as oil the same would happen to the Water Industry. We need to solve the problems with oil now. We have millions of people all over the world involved in the oil industry. Any transition to a new energy has to be gradual. We are locked up in this desperate over-dependence on oil because of the deliberate delay in transitioning to a new energy. Even as soon as the prospect of a new energy is viable, the price of oil will drop. There is definitely a deliberate and concerted effort to keep Us Hooked On OIL to keep the oil companies hugely profitable and maintain their grip on the economy and people.

“But this is not about where oil should be drilled, it’s about condemning carbon fuels and the impact on the global climate by innuendo.”

The geology, geotechnical circumstances and geohazards do make the difference. The earth is not uniform. So you are definitely wrong here. I do not see any condemnation of carbon fuels by innuendo but the message that BP was criminal in covering up the disaster was loud and clear.

“By his own statements, the best solution for the GOM right now is the same one that BK Lim suggested ages ago – drill a half dozen wells into the reservoir and pump it as fast as can be tapped. Will the floor collapse? Who knows, but the oil will cease seeping if the pressure is reduced.”

I don’t know about “ages ago” since I suggested it only about 3 months ago. Given the uncontrollable seepage, extensive corrosive erosion and eventual destruction of the shallow environment (the genie cannot be put back into the bottle), the alternative of depleting the reservoir as fast as possible seems like an attractive option to me. Would you rather have the oil in the sea and spread it around the world. And in the process release methane that had taken millions of years to accumulate in a few years? Even for non-scientists it is a no-brainer that the world’s climate will go haywire with such an exponential increase in methane in the atmosphere. We cannot extract the oil in an economical manner as in normal production, it has to be done quickly and safely without compromise.

Oil in reservoir exists in the interstitial pore spaces between sand grains. Removing the high pressured oil through properly sealed wells to subsea pumping stations or storage units, does not collapse the reservoir formation. On the other hand, allowing oil, gas and brine fluid gushing uncontrollably through the open well bore does enlarge the vertical conduit to allow greater volume of fluid to escape. Erosion and underground explosion (cavitation) do cause damage and undermine stability of the shelf edges and domes.

So what is the choice?

  • 4 votes
Reply#17 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 11:33 AM EST
BK Lim

You gotta see this:

So today I went to the pow wow. It was great. The REALLY wierd thing was in the same place we usually have the pow wow BP had a center for their equipment. The super wierd thing was that ther was acres of natural non- toxic stuff rotting away, while there we 176 empty containers of COREXIT 9527A, with barge and boat dispensers right by them. Weird, huh? I so happened to have a camera, of course.. so here ya go, draw your own conclusions folks... btw, can you say SERENDIPITOUS! All things to the Father.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=264398&id=798269089&fbid=472538264089

  • 3 votes
Reply#18 - Thu Dec 2, 2010 12:24 PM EST
eth-2299740

BK

Guess there is a plan to bring down the USA (end game - NWO) could BP be part of it? Watch this series by Glenn Beck - it is an eye opener. Of course we know ends justify means - to them (sarcasm).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4YiQi_NfS4

  • 3 votes
Reply#19 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 5:16 AM EST
BK Lim

ETH

Thanks for the link.

  • 3 votes
#19.1 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 10:08 AM EST
BK Lim

The energy companies BP, Westar Energy and Duke Energy, chemical manufacturer DuPont, and ethanol maker Didion Milling were among the companies to receive "categorical exclusions" from the National Environmental Policy Act.

Enacted by Congress in 1970, the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) requires federal agencies to conduct a review of the potential environmental effects of their proposed actions, making it one of the few proactive environmental laws.

Why? Why? Why?

  • 3 votes
#19.2 - Tue Dec 7, 2010 2:38 AM EST
eth-2299740

BK

Looks like full speed ahead in complete destruction of earth via pollution air, sea, fresh water sources.

Where the heck do these people think they are going to live once they destroy everything?

Even a blind person can see better than these ruffians (no insult intended to anyone blind).

Funny - how these giants put tons of crap out there - yet our regulators go after the little guy collecting rain water from their roof, or the small farmer trying to eek out a living. Guess they have to "look" like they are functioning in some capacity - while ignoring the real problems.

  • 4 votes
#19.3 - Tue Dec 7, 2010 7:17 AM EST
BK Lim

Eth

The rules are meant for the small people to obey and for the Big Corps to break with impunity. Were there any special reasons for their exemptions?

  • 3 votes
#19.4 - Tue Dec 7, 2010 11:16 AM EST
eth-2299740

BK

I'm speculating they lobbied for the exclusions.

If you use our healthcare bill as an example; first there were 3 groups that were exempt, and now there are 111 (or more). This govt is clearly for sale.

  • 2 votes
#19.5 - Tue Dec 7, 2010 1:59 PM EST
BK Lim

Sounds a lot like the world's oldest profession. LOL :)

  • 4 votes
#19.6 - Tue Dec 7, 2010 9:00 PM EST
Danese

I agree.

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#19.7 - Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:59 PM EST
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eth-2299740

You are welcome BK

  • 3 votes
Reply#20 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 11:44 AM EST
BK Lim

eth,

Just spent the last 3 hours on the links and subsequent links. Open a whole lot of sense to me why they would want to depopulate and change the demographic structure. Just simply awesome. Suppose the BP disaster, TSA patdown and naked scanner are all part of the grand scheme?

  • 3 votes
#20.1 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 3:26 PM EST
eth-2299740

BK

Yes, and it appears now that "they" are willing to show their faces (come out of the closet so to speak), things must have progressed to a point they're confident the final step i.e. revolt/suppression of a revolt is a foregone conclusion.

After the passage of so much legislation people were against I was wondering why our "so called leaders" were blatantly ignoring the populace and pushing ahead with their own agenda - it's very clear now.

But, sometimes the grand schemes of mice and men backfire - I'm praying this is one of them.

Alas, if bible prophecy is coming true (and it appears it is) - this must happen before the millennium begins.

  • 3 votes
#20.2 - Sun Dec 5, 2010 5:59 AM EST
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eth-2299740

Was thinking of some potential scenarios how what Glenn Beck and bible prophecy might play out.

In summary form:

Oligarchy/Fed/USDollar (Woman on the Beast) - through Bailout take over 10 countries in EU.

2 prominent people rise up to power - one in EU (AC), one in another country (false prophet).

The AC - convinces 10 countries to overthrow oligarchy(since they hate this group - who now imposes austerity, all kinds of suppressive measures on them).

They overthrow the oligarchy.

The AC - destroys 3 countries gaining complete power through this destruction. (i.e. Soros has experimented with this a lot and has now perfected it?). Is it 3 countries in EU, or Israel, USA and ?.

Since the USD is destroyed - the False Prophet and AC now create new currency - but to use it must take the Mark of the beast (666).

Next - four horses of apocalyspe already riding

first horse - conquer world (globalization)

second - take peace away (terrorism)

third - food cost rise because of shortage - (wheat - USSR other places problems w/ crops)

fourth - death through hunger, plagues, other things ( haiti, malaria; bp - Gulf; food shortages)

and later - through acts like BP's 1/3 sea dies; 1/3 ships destroyed, 1/3 fresh water made bitter on so on and so forth.

Two witnesses will come on the scene and tell the truth about AC, false prophet. They will do this for 3 1/2 years - then be killed by the beast. Some one like Glenn Beck (don't know who of course).

Know who AC is after all nations surround Israel and he desecrates temple - declares self to be God ( kinda like Soros is doing right now :)

  • 3 votes
Reply#21 - Mon Dec 6, 2010 5:23 AM EST
eth-2299740

Oops - typing very fast and need to correct - all nations surround Jerusalem (not Israel).\

BTW - once you see this our world as we know it will become choatic, and in 3 1/2 years over 1/2 world's population die.

  • 3 votes
Reply#22 - Mon Dec 6, 2010 5:33 AM EST
BK Lim

eth

Which ever way you look at it, it is gloomy. But if we bury our heads in the sand, we are just making their wish or prophecy come true without a fight. Question is the EU going to come out of this intact or split?

  • 4 votes
#22.1 - Mon Dec 6, 2010 9:34 AM EST
eth-2299740

BK

The EU will look like it is mortally wounded (Euro crashes and burns) - however, they will be rescued and become a powerhouse of a country. This is when you can expect the new currency - I wouldn't be surprised it was all computerized at that time.

Eth

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#22.2 - Mon Dec 6, 2010 10:03 AM EST
notsojingo

I am trying to decide where my currency chip implant will go.

"Just wave your hand over the reader, please. You have been scanned and debited."

  • 3 votes
#22.3 - Sat Jan 1, 2011 1:07 PM EST
eth-2299740

let me see:

Hmmmm - chip or beheaded
chip or beheaded

Sure hope I have the courage to make the right decision, because anyone who takes the chip(mark):

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

  • 2 votes
#22.4 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 5:42 AM EST
notsojingo

That doesn't leave me feeling very 'chipper'!

;)

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#22.5 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 7:14 AM EST
eth-2299740

LOL - Good One

  • 2 votes
#22.6 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 10:59 AM EST
notsojingo

(:

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#22.7 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 1:53 PM EST
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eth-2299740

BK

Apparently - many already see EU - as goosed cooked and done.

Here is Nigel Farage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HB_L1cnCqs&feature=player_embedded

titled: Nigel Farage shows Barroso "true state of the union"

Telling European Commission it is doomed and they have had a failed experiment, and all their faces looked as if they had seen a ghost.

Nigel is a very powerful speaker.

  • 3 votes
Reply#23 - Mon Dec 6, 2010 10:43 AM EST
bore-head007

Nigel is the Bomb.

Hey B, How ya doin? Got something you'd get a kick outta!! Don't have too much fun. You have MEGA choices.

http://que2646.newsvine.com/_news/2010/12/07/5606515-nominations-for-the-2010-environmental-hall-of-fameshame?last=1291770998&threadId=3003906&sp=0&pc=25#last_1

  • 3 votes
Reply#24 - Tue Dec 7, 2010 10:45 PM EST
BK Lim

Thanks BH. See my take on it. We must not forget Tony Hayward.

  • 3 votes
#24.1 - Wed Dec 8, 2010 1:53 AM EST
bore-head007

I was blinded for a moment, B. By all means Mr. Hayward

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#24.2 - Wed Dec 8, 2010 6:36 AM EST
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BK Lim
  • Martin Larnersays:
    December 31, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    Your ‘facts’ are not correct.

    - There is very little evidence that oil is ‘abiotic’ and ‘abiogenic’. See these documentaries for a detailed study of the origins of oil:
    http://www.abc.net.au/science/crude/

    - There is only one example of an oil field ‘refilling’ and this was an anomaly. As with all other oilfields, it then began to decline irreversibly. All Oil fields follow a basic bell shaped graph and eventually deplete to a point where there is neither technically nor financially enough oil left to extract. Where are these ‘many’ wells that have partially or completely replenished? Show me one.

    - This idea that oil is the ‘lifeblood’ of the planet has absolutely no supporting evidence. Oil is however the lifeblood of Industrial Civilisation.

    Ask yourself the following:

    1. If oil wells refill, why has Mexicos Cantarell declined from a peak of 2.4mb/d in 2004 to a little over 400k b/d now? This is why Mexicos economy and society is descending into violence – a massive reduction in oil revenues has left the government powerless.
    2. If Saudi Arabia has ‘limitless oil’ why are they increasingly investing in offshore drilling for deeper, smaller, lower quality and more difficult to exploit reserves?
    3. If Texas oil wells are ‘refilling’ why are wells being abandoned and why is there a push for the Net Energy insane Tar Sands of Alberta and the incredibly difficult and dangerous Gulf of Mexico reserves?
    4. Why has the UK gone from an oil and gas exporter to a Net importer since production peaked in the North Sea in 1999?
    5. Why has US production steadily declined (even in the light of Alaskan Oil coming on line) since 1971 to the point where the US only supplies a third of its own demand?

    I could go on but I don’t see any need. TPTB are not as powerful as you imagine. They do not control the laws of physics, nor can they make a round and finite planet into an infinite one, or force the sudden existence of a substance that took literally 10s of millions of years to form.

BK Lim says:
January 1, 2011 at 6:45 am

“Where are these ‘many’ wells that have partially or completely replenished?” ….Martin

Dear Martin Larner,
I am not sure if you are a geologist by profession but using the above sentence to argue your case is totally out of line irrespective of whether is oil abiogenic or biogenic. You forgot the fundamentals of oil migration and accumulation. Oil do not migrate and accumulate at the same order of pace as oil extraction by the production wells. It takes thousands to millions of years to get where they are; fossil oil or deeper abiotic oil.
For many reservoirs, the geology might have undergone changes or the migration path no longer permeable. Would appreciate if you think first before opening your flanks wide open for attacks.
Do you want me to respond to your other assertions?

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Reply#25 - Sat Jan 1, 2011 2:27 AM EST
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