The Oil BP Tried To Hide Has Been Discovered, In Thick Layers On the Sea Floor Over An Area of Several Thousand Square Miles � Washington's Blog

The Obama Deception HQ Full length version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Obama's secret meeting with the Bilderberg Group

in case you guys dont understand, those reporters were taken , kidnapped, so that the possibility -- that they would snoops around Westfields Marriot or see or hear something that would indicate that, or Bildereberg, or other attendees -- would not exist. I was there, to protest on June 6, 2008. It's real y'all....

Oh, and if you watch this man's press conferences, he's still such a weasel, thank god -- he's like the GW of the Obama admin -- we see the truth from him much clearer than obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_pC2ryEBTU&NR=1

BK Lim:

You hate Obama. That's your choice.

mountainmike-1199289,

I would be interested in knowing the basis of your statement?

I just posted the links and comments which I find contrary to what the main media was projecting to the world - the message of hope for the world in that Obama was the President for Change; Change for the better, after 8 years of Bush Presidency. I would not be drawn into any political issues or sides; that is outside my field of expertise. I highlight only unethical and professional issues, issues that are morally wrong and the root causes of disasters.

It's just that you are ignoring facts. Obama did not cause the oil spill.

I would be most grateful if you can point out where I had made the statement "Obama caused the oil spill". I would gladly make the correction if there is.

I have also not made any statements or conclusion on the Exxon Valdeze oil spill, except to seed articles I find interesting for understanding the Gulf mega oil spill.

Hope I make my apolitical stand clear. I stand corrected if I gave the wrong impression.

logdump

In fact they said at the time that most of the oil could not be recovered

Wonder who the "they" are? Care to quote the links to where this statement was taken from?

dont forget the right wing mouth piece Limbaugh said it was just a natural occurrence

What is that "natural occurrence" you are referring to? Limbaugh's mouth? or the oil? or "most of the oil could not be recovered"?

and in some respects he was correct.

If I say "flooding is a natural occurrence" then in some respect I am right. If the Dam burst then the flooding that occurred is no longer natural. Oil and gas seeps occur naturally as well as man-made. Those seeps that were caused by the blowout are no longer natural, right?

The most dangerous untruths are truths moderately distorted. ~Georg Christoph Lichtenberg

Scientifically your statement below cannot be right. Natural oil after escaping from the vents float to the surface and do not sink and lay on the ocean floor. You better contact the author of the article you just quoted before he becomes the laughing stock of the whole world.

You can actually test the logic in the sentence to see the fallacy. For oil (from the reservoir) to seep to the vent at the seabed means it has to be lighter than the surrounding rock formation and pore fluid. It also has to overcome the resistance (inverse of permeability) in the migration to the top. Oil is lighter than water and the water column has significantly less resistance than the rock formation. So why wouldn't oil float to the surface?

Oil escapes from many vents in the ovean floor sinks and lays on it.

Fifth Horseman,

Nodes of manganese and other metallic ores are vastly different from oil. Recovering tons of sediment to extract the dispersed oil is both costly and environmentally destructive, even without considering the deep water depth.

Glad to have you here, NOAAMOREJANE.

Wish you, all the newsviners and readers a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. We all need the luck and well wishes we can get for what is coming in the next couple of years.

mick the biologist

Thanks for dropping in and giving your thoughts on the issues.

bk - your thoughts on the injection at depth into the gulf stream and the cutoff of the warmer water at the carolinas?

Let's recap the facts first. Before the oil spill disaster, we know the Gulf water is layered (as do all of the world's ocean) according to a combination of factors - density, salinity, temperature, current etc. No doubt natural oil and gas seeps exists before the disaster but whatever existed before contributed to that gulf stream. Oil is also used loosely but in reality gas (H2S, methane and other light hydrocarbons) exists in greater abundance especially if the oil seepage from the reservoir is much warmer than the temp at seafloor level pre-disaster. Hydrates above the stabilization level – evaporate into gas (methane) adding to the volume of gas.

At the blowout on 20 Apr and until 22 April, oil and gas spewed out from the blown well (S20BC - third well) from the shallow sub-seabed, most probably from oil and gas that had accumulated in the first 5,000-6,000 ft (the "probably" refers to the depth range). The accumulation of gas and oil could have been natural (possibly less than 20% pre-drilling) but the majority (>80%) probably was during and post drilling stage. Well B tapped mainly the shallower gas reservoir (Texaco Gas reservoir -just a convenient reference). But all the 3 wells are connected via both shallow and deep major faults. Well A was leaking gas before 22 April.

On 22 April around 10 am, the 2nd underground explosion (which blew off the BOP) occurred when the cement plug at the base of the well gave way big time. Oil started to gush out directly through the well at high pressure and velocity. Before 22nd April oil was seeping much slower through the fractures and faults at much lower volume. The coastguard reported a "big gas bubble" at the base >50 km away at 11 pm 22 April and another observed "orange seep" (midway) both along the NW-SE fault-line passing the Macondo wells - suggested the second explosion was many times more powerful (mainly due to more hydraulic pressure from the reservoir oil) than the initial gas blowout which caused the fire but not powerful enough to bring down the Deepwater Horizon rig.

Why are these facts important?

I believe the volume of gas and oil coming (without the corexit factor yet) from all the three wells combined would be insufficient to disrupt the giant gulf stream flow with respect to volume. This substantiated our earlier assertion that oil and gas were gushing out at a greater volume through the faults and other zones of weakness (acting as vertical conduits) around the Domes' edges not only Biloxi Dome. So what we had all been estimating from one open well diameter is a gross under-estimate. Large columns of gas stretching from the Biloxi Dome to the Gloria and Whiting Domes would be sufficient volume and speed (within a short time) to drastically alter the large body of water especially over prolonged period - at least 3 months. This was the unseen destructive component of the mega-oil (oil-gas) spill. As seen from the ROV videos as late as early NOV before they were shut down (not broadcast) the blow-out craters, vaporising seabed sediment, linear clouds of gas, drilling mud, cement etc, the gas is escaping and blowing out through the weaker zones. The escaping columns of gas also provide the vertical upwelling force. Without these numerous vents of escaping gas, the water tends to settle back to a layered structure.

Next add the Corexit Factor. I am not a chemist so those who are more knowledgeable are invited to contribute to this discussion. But I suspect (from the dispersion and settling pattern) the dispersed fluid do not stay as colloidal suspension. In very quiet (low energy) water they settle down as fluffy sediment (see samples picked by Dr Samantha Joyce). At shallow water, the fluid seeps through the beach sand and convalesced back to oily layers – that’s why we get oil a few feet below the ground surface. So all these interactions (vertically and laterally) kept the water body from stabilizing back into a stratified form for the gulf stream to flow.

The above is a compressed summary of the effect of oil spill and is by no means a comprehensive explanation on the disruption of the whole gulf stream flow. The fractured and faulted Salt Geology allowed the gas and oil to be dispersed underground over a larger area than otherwise possible. We will dealt with this and the spate of anomalous shallow earthquakes in my future postings.

Edward

In normal oil spills I have seen, the oil floats and accumulate back as oily scums at the coast. The dispersant must have heavy metallic elements in them to settle down the dispersed oil particles in very quiet water.

mokshasha..... exactly!