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The Physics of Impossibility – a critical review of BP's & Oil Commission's blowout investigation reports.

Tue Feb 1, 2011 10:05 AM EST
environment, deepwater-horizon, deepwater-horizon-spill-bps, oil-commission, blowout-investigation-report
By BK Lim
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Distorted facts, half truths and omissions do tell a story by themselves; especially when they occur so coherently across supposedly independent investigation reports. This article will not delve into the objectives or detailed analyses of these discrepancies found in these reports. A book had already been compiled on them waiting for publication.

This succinct outline of discrepancies illustrates the physics of impossibility if the analyses and conclusions of these official investigation reports are to be trusted, even partially

Why did the investigations ignore so many obvious impossibilities? Stripped bare of technological jargon, it is blatantly clear even to the layman, the disastrous blowout at Macondo MC252 could not have happened as reported and analysed by BP or the Oil Spill Commission, not unless the laws of universal nature (laws of physics) are revised to accommodate the erroneous conclusions contained therein. In general, both reports are long on technical intricacies but short on the fundamental issues that mattered.

Were 3 wells or 1 well drilled? 2.5 months (76 days) is a long time to spend on a single exploration well which normally takes from 2 weeks to 3 weeks to drill. Exploration wells are normally budget for 2 3 weeks actual drilling with another 1 to 2 weeks for testing a strike well. 11 weeks excluding the 4 weeks spent on in October – November 2009, was definitely excessive by any exploration standard. What happened in the 11 weeks and why were the reports “loudly” silent in this critical area of investigation?

Were the persistent rumours of 2 or even 3 wells examined in earnest especially in the face of the unexplained documented lies by BP officials at site that the Deepwater Horizon rig (DWH) had drifted 719ft NW in calm weather with 0.69 ft/s (0.05 knots) current? See conclusive evidence: Well A is not the well that blew up on 20 April

Did the blown well deviated (by-passed) or drilled vertically through the troublesome gas formation at around 13,000 ft BML? If indeed the blown well was deviated (as reported in the Well Activity Report) should this not be examined closely for possible direct causes of the blowout? Why was this issue omitted in both investigations? If there was no deviation and the blown well was drilled vertically (as shown in both reports) then BP would not have possibly drilled only one well in the absence of the phenonemal “Physics Of The Impossible”. Were legal improprieties and even criminality involved in drilling these additional wells with blatant disregard of authorized exploration procedures?

Even the promulgated official findings of the blowout itself failed high school physics. For the initial gas influx to enter from the bottom of the well, the pressure of the influx had to be higher than the pressure exerted by the total column of mud, salt water and spacer within the well. With the gas volume expanding inversely proportionally with decreasing pressure, any gas influx from the bottom of the well would have quickly developed into an uncontrollable oil gusher. If the rising gas bubble were to travel even 1/10th the speed of sound (330 m/s) it would have taken less than 25 seconds from the bottom of the well at 23,000 ft BSL (below sea level) to reach the floor of the drilling rig. For comparison, at the speed of 5 knots, the time taken to travel that distance is only 5.2 minutes.

Thus for BP's investigation report to conclude that the flow indications started approximately 51 minutes before the blowout occurred, it is equivalent to saying the gas influx “took a very slow train to China”. It simply could not have happened. Even ROVs ascend faster than 0.5 knots.

See Figure 143-1: BP investigation report page 79.

In any case, an oil gush from an open reservoir will continue until depletion as we saw in the 86 days before the well was capped. Just like any pent up coke bottle, once the bottle is popped the gas will flow until depletion without a second explosion. So how could the second explosion have happened?

The second and bigger blowout (explosion) on 22nd April 2010 could only have happened if and only if, the initial gas influx that caused fire to break out onboard DWH on 20 April, were to leak in through the shallow part of the well. The abnormal pressure readings observed during the negative tests and in the 52 minutes prior to the blowout, could be easily explained by a leaky top well section with hydraulic connection to vast amount of drilling mud and cement that had earlier infiltrated into the gas saturated week sub formation (GWSF) zone.

This would have meant that the well bore annuli of all 3 wells drilled were never properly sealed (cemented) to prevent hydraulic connection right up to the seabed. There are ample evidences to support the heavy drilling losses encountered in the drilling. In my previous blowout investigations, this would be the very first area to check for the causes of the blowout. What more when the dangers of gas hydrates in the deep waters of the gulf had already been forewarned. See MMS warned in 2009 about deepwater gas-blowouts in the Gulf of Mexico

A sixty-page memorandum addressed to Renee Orr, the chief of the leasing division of the Minerals Management Service (MMS), was sent in September 2009 by an environmental investigator, warning of potential disaster in offshore drilling operations and the particular dangers posed by gas hydrates.

Reports by MMS, a branch of the Interior Department, also provide evidence of the role bad cement work has played in accidents. One study named cementing as a factor in 18 of 39 well blowouts at Gulf rigs from 1992 to 2006. Another attributed five of nine out-of-control wells in the year 2000 to cementing problems.

Although bad cementing was discussed, both reports failed to recognise the fact that a poorly sealed top section of the well would have easily explained the abnormal pressure readings during the negative testing without having to invoke the illogical unscientific “Bladder Effect”. But admitting a badly sealed hydraulically connected top section would mean willful negligence since drilling could not have proceeded deeper if tests had shown top hole defects. Is that why this top hole issue was not discussed?

Most important of all, the initial gas influx from the base of the well could not explain the two broken drill pipes stuck in the riser phenomenon. BP tried to explain it frivolously that a weak sea current (0.69ft/s) could have drifted DWH and lifted the drill pipe by 25ft.

How could a fixed length riser (drifted or stationary) caused another fixed length drill pipe within it, to move vertically (differentially) by 25 ft? Even if DWH were to sink by 25ft (to compensate for the lateral movement) there would still be no differential movement of the drill pipe within the riser; unless the riser shrunk independently in length. In which case, the top drive (attached to the drill pipe) would have pushed the drill pipe downwards into the well and not vertically upwards (as observed when the top drive fell approx 26ft onto the rig floor).

It is only logical that the drill pipe was forced upwards (vertically), sheared and broke at the weakest point above joint A. What could have caused this tremendous upward force? Again the logical answer was the 2nd and more powerful blowout on the morning of 22nd April 2010 from the base of the well. Gas alone would not be sufficient since gas is compressible. While the initial gas influx and gas feed was from the GWSF zone (at much lower pressure), the second blowout occurred when the Shoe Track Cement and Float Collar gave way. Unlike gas, oil exploding out of the reservoir at very high pressure (13,000 psi) is not compressible. The hollow drill-pipe filled with high pressure hydraulic fluid (just like a “piston system”) would shoot like a high speed projectile upwards. It is doubtful the BOP and wellhead could even stand this tremendous pressure at the mudline. So was the late Matt Simmons right again that the BOP and wellhead were blown off or badly damaged? It does appear that the late Matt Simmons was not so senile after all.

No doubt the experts at BP and Oil Commission investigation team would have arrived at the same logical findings given in this article. This begs the obvious question; Why did they overlook the logical explanations in preference for absurdities?

Below is an expanding list (updated 1 Feb 2011) of impossibilities, omissions and questions which had not been addressed or wrongly concluded by BP's and the Oil Commission’s reports:

1 Impossible for 2 drill pipes to be embedded side by side in Riser from 1st blowout on 20 April 2010
2 Impossible for BP to have drilled at only at one well location
3 Impossible for well A to be the well that blew on 20 April 2010
4 Impossible for DWH to have drifted 719ft NW of original well A location

BP officials could not have determined to 1 ft accuracy the surface location of DWH. That location was calculated from coordinates. But even the Rovs could not be close enough to the burning rig to get a close fix. That location was obtained from the Rov sent down to manually shut down the BOP. It is therefore the seabed location of the blown well-head before the 2nd explosion.

5 Impossible for Well A to be the seabed origin of DWH & riser wreckage pattern
6 Impossible for the oil gush to flow from north to South when well A is south of gushing crater.
7 Why was the first ROV footage of the gushing well at seabed level >700ft NW of well A?
8 Why was the wellhead at Well A not shown to the public before mid June 2010?
9 Why was the bop dismantled and reassembled so many times before it was officially removed?

BP had consistently maintained that the BOP was fixed on well A wellhead since the day of the blowout on 20 April 2010. BP had also maintained that removing the BOP would have undesirable consequences. Thus the riser was left in place leaking and gush oil & gas at 3 locations when the most logical solution to the containment effort would be to cut the riser or even remove the damaged BOP and contain the gushing oil at the blown well itself. BP could not do that because it would have exposed BP's criminality in the disaster.

The BOP was officially removed in late September 2010 after the well was supposedly killed.

From insiders' sources this is a total fabrication. Rov footage showed the removal, dismantling and reassembling of the BOP, sightings of the BOP at locations other than well A location, etc; confirm that the gushing well could have been contained instead of being allowed to gush for more than 87 days. In reality the 2nd more powerful blowout damaged the wellhead and blown off the BOP. BP's “dog and pony show” at well A was to keep the world mesmerized with the predominantly gas gush at well A while they covertly tried to kill the real open gusher, S20BC, which is 720 ft NW of well A.

10 It is impossible to have 2 wellheads if only one well location was drilled.

There is concrete evidence of 2 distinct wellheads, one at Well B and the other at Well A. The wellhead at S20BC had been blown off together with the BOP.

11 Omission: well deviation

On the well activity reports and emails, it was clearly stated that BP applied to abandon the well after hitting an out-of-well control situation at 13,100 ft BML (below mudline) in early March 2010. In a WAR, the supposedly well A (but Well B in reality) was reported to have severed drill pipe at 12,100 ft BML and shut in the well. If the well had been side tracked (or bypassed) to avoid the gas strata should this interval not be examined for possible causes to the blowout? Why was this critical area bypassed in the investigation?

In reality, BP did not bypass or sidetrack from Well B. Instead they drilled a vertical well (see figure 143-2) at a 3rd location (S20BC) which blew up on 20 April 2010 720 ft NW of well A. Why did both reports not discuss this important issue? A deviated well would have been presented as shown in figure 143-3.

12 Reported by-pass / deviation impossible to execute

13 Impossible for gas influx that caused the fire on DWH on 20 April to come from bottom of well.
14 Unimaginable for the gas influx to enter the well undetected for >50 minutes before the 1st blowout.
15 Omission: 2nd underwater blowout (explosion) on 22 April which brought down the DWH
16 Impossible to know the 2nd underwater explosion occurred without ROV observation

This means that Rov footage of the 2nd blowout has been recorded by BP. Why has this video footage been kept from public view? This would easily confirm the late Matt Simmons' assertion that the BOP had been blown off in the 2nd blowout on 22nd April, 2 days after the first blowout.

17 Impossible for 2nd explosion to occur if 1st blowout was from gas influx at bottom of well.
18 Impossible to explain “bladder effect” without shallow well leakage & hydraulic connection with GWSF formation.
19 Impossible for drill pipe to break and be embedded in Riser from 1st blowout

See diagrammatic illustrations in figure 143-4.

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BK Lim

The most preposterous lie in this disaster has been: "BP drilled only one well which was Well A". All the evidences in broad daylight show that 3 wells were drilled.

If BP knowingly drilled a 3rd illegitimate (unauthorised) well and killed 11 field personnel in the process, is BP still free of criminality?

If the answer is yes, then there is no need for any building codes, permit application and all our legislation, because if an illegal building (modified or not build according to legal standards) collapses and kill the occupants, the owner should walk free (as in BP's Mega Oil spill case). Does that mean anyone can build an illegal chemical plant and if it explodes killing everyone within hundreds of miles, the owner can walk free?

Is that what Blind Justice means? What do I know? I am just a dumb geo from a third world pseudo-democratic country which runs like a police state. Perhaps we are improving and upgrading towards a 4th world status (North Korea, Myanmar & Zimbabwe comes to mind) while 1st world countries like the US are speeding towards higher world status like in 3rd World status.

Higher degree of world status means better, as in higher corruption, higher inflation, higher crime rate, higher suicide rates, higher bankruptcies, higher production costs etc.

So is the Gulf Disaster a wake up call or another TEST for humanity and democracy?

  • 11 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Feb 1, 2011 10:22 AM EST
Danese

You did it again Bk Lim. Outstanding job:)

  • 9 votes
#1.1 - Wed Feb 2, 2011 2:12 PM EST
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leftcoastblue

BK, thanks very much for reporting on this.

Tragically, I don't think very many people are thinking about this crime to the degree that you are. Not just on Newsvine. Not those in our government who are paid handsomely to regulate businesses and protect our people and our planet. And certainly not those 'watch dogs' in the media because it's 'old news.'

We won't hear a word about this until it happens again -- as it surely will.

  • 12 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Feb 1, 2011 10:41 AM EST
BK Lim

You are right leftcastblue.

The BP Gulf disaster is not the first and neither will it be the last. And it won't be just BP alone. There are always others to take BP's place. But speak we must even if it falls on deaf ears. The world will wake sometime. We can only hope it will be sooner than later and before it is too late.

  • 13 votes
#2.1 - Tue Feb 1, 2011 10:57 AM EST
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eth-2299740

Nice recap BK with added thought provoking analysis.

Something I'm wondering (not sure if discussed previously), but is there any ROV footage of the relief wells?

From all the videos I have seen never noticed them. One would think they might catch a glimpse of them since they should be in close proximity to the blown well. Some glare of lights perhaps?

Thanks for posting this

Eth

  • 11 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Feb 1, 2011 2:18 PM EST
BK Lim

Eth, now that you mentioned it, NO I had not come across any video on the Relief Wells efforts. Looks like a covert operation despite the publicity it received as the "savior of the last resort".

There were some videos of showing the interviews with the BP managers on the drillship but not the ROv underwater. Strange isn't it?

  • 11 votes
#3.1 - Tue Feb 1, 2011 3:16 PM EST
eth-2299740

BK

I was thinking it was very strange since the relief wells were (supposedly) only 20 feet away.

We had many wide shots of the "well".

Supports PR stunt theory!!

Eth

  • 11 votes
#3.2 - Tue Feb 1, 2011 3:21 PM EST
BK Lim

Eth,

"since the relief wells were (supposedly) only 20 feet away"

Are you referring to the relief well intercept and not the surface location, right?

Well we were all very puzzled (remember). Actually the relief well (C, I believe) had intercepted in the first week of July. So for the whole month of July, oil gush out of the seabed temporarily stopped out of the open hole at S20BC but not to the wider sub-seabed region through other pathways.

Then the ROV video on 2 or 3 Aug shows it spewing again.

We had many wide shots of the "well".

Don't really understand this statement. Would appreciate your clarification.

  • 9 votes
#3.3 - Tue Feb 1, 2011 4:04 PM EST
eth-2299740

BK

Sorry, my memory did not serve me very well. I see from this they were 1/2 miles away from the "rogue well".

However, this fact boggles my mind. First of all the increased distance, and secondly - with all the difficulty they had drilling the first 2 wells, why did these relief wells go so much faster and I'm assuming less trouble?

Additionally (again from memory :) - according to some experts locating the riser on the rogue well from this distance is practically impossible. I rely on you to tell me if this is true :). Also, wouldn't the slope would be an impediment to their reaching the rogue well?

And of course the original question - where are the video shots?

Eth

  • 9 votes
#3.4 - Wed Feb 2, 2011 6:13 AM EST
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etva

Thank you BK for the excellent summary.

So is the Gulf Disaster a wake up call or another TEST for humanity and democracy?

It should be both, but unfortunately, few people are paying attention. I'm really glad you are, and that you share your knowledge to help us understand the technical parts. Stay safe!

  • 9 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Feb 1, 2011 3:42 PM EST
BK Lim

Thanks Etva. I am here to serve. Ultimately Mother Nature gains when the majority of the inhabitants understand both our needs and what Mother Nature can sustain. We are all here to learn, exchange views, share and disseminate.

  • 10 votes
#4.1 - Tue Feb 1, 2011 3:54 PM EST
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Ektar

Love it! You explain the technicalities very well making it easy to understand the facts to the

Real Truth!

cheers

  • 10 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Feb 1, 2011 10:52 PM EST
BK Lim

Thanks Ektar for dropping by. I can't respond properly yet. There was another attack on my computer this morning. respond time very slow.

  • 9 votes
#5.1 - Wed Feb 2, 2011 7:24 AM EST
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Danese

Why do I feel like this is the most important issue in the world? Clearly, well at least in my city and town people will beg to differ. I feel like i'M the only person in the city who feel so extreme about it. Well maybe I'm overreacting. Because I'm steaming at the head. Maybe I should calm down.

  • 9 votes
Reply#6 - Wed Feb 2, 2011 2:22 PM EST
kokohito

!

  • 7 votes
Reply#7 - Sun Feb 6, 2011 1:52 AM EST
TR-421173

!!!

  • 7 votes
Reply#8 - Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:01 PM EST
fishwarrior

WOW! Thanks BK for explaining this ongoing tragedy in terms that a silly fisherman can understand! One never hears about 3 wells on any of the reporting! We only seem to hear of 1 well and a relief well. I remember you seeding some video. I also remember a problem with the ROV being on satellite somewhere where it was not and then go missing for a span then come back into location!!! Why are they OKing the seafood as good enough to eat too with all that engineered corexit (blue plague) intermixed in the waters? I just got message from Florida declaring the Gulf seafood safe to eat! They say its being tested and are eating it. This concerns me as these fishermen believe that it is safe and consume it. I understand their 'want' of believing it---its devastating. But----to actually eat it after what was dumped in the water beyond the oil???

  • 6 votes
Reply#9 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:58 AM EST
BK Lim

You are welcome, FW. There are more holes in the report. Goes to show it is not possible to cover up a crime especially one as big as this.

It is much easier to tell the truth.

  • 6 votes
#9.1 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:51 PM EST
fishwarrior

I was raised to tell the truth. Dad always said he can't help us if we lie since he would never be sure if we were telling the truth! Doen't that just ring true!!! I remember this lesson as one of my earliest--he detested lying. I too detest it and have given the same valid info to my kids. They find it easier (in more than one way) to just come clean instead of hiding stuff from me. Oh the work it must take to cover something so large! What a waste of resources when we could be working toward a common good with all that energy involved in the cover-up.

On another note, I'm so glad you are still with us.

  • 6 votes
#9.2 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:14 PM EST
LT student

Totally agree w ya! ((((((Fwarrior))))).

Let those who lie have their tongues drop off. I've never been so mean but BK's article makes a lot of sense. Are these people even qualified to write the reports?

  • 6 votes
#9.3 - Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:09 PM EST
fishwarrior

I think they are probably qualified, but they are looking for the meal ticket and do not think that they are doing anything 'all that bad' is my guess as to How they live with themselves!

  • 6 votes
#9.4 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:41 AM EST
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BK Lim

Would you go after the big boys if you are enjoying their lavish parties, dinners, sex and other favors?

Bending over for Big Oil became the ideological posture of the Bush White House, and, under Cheney's cruel whip, the practice trickled down through the regulatory bureaucracy. The Minerals Management Service -- the poster child for "agency capture phenomena" -- hopped into bed with the regulated industry -- literally. A 2009 investigation of the Minerals Management Service found that agency officials "frequently consumed alcohol at industry functions, had used cocaine and marijuana and had sexual relationships with oil and gas company representatives." Three reports by the Inspector General describe an open bazaar of payoffs, bribes and kickbacks spiced with scenes of female employees providing sexual favors to industry big wigs who in turn rewarded government workers with illegal contracts. In one incident reported by the Inspector General, agency employees got so drunk at a Shell sponsored golf event that they could not drive home and had to sleep in hotel rooms paid for by Shell.

Pervasive intercourse also characterized their financial relations. Industry lobbyists underwrote lavish parties and showered agency employees with illegal gifts, and lucrative personal contracts and treated them to regular golf, ski, and paintball outings, trips to rock concerts and professional sports events. The Inspector General characterized this orgy of wheeling and dealing as "a culture of ethical failure" that cost taxpayers millions in royalty fees and produced reams of bad science to justify unregulated deep water drilling in the gulf.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/sex-lies-and-oil-spills_b_564163.html

  • 7 votes
Reply#10 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:28 PM EST
fishwarrior

Honestly Bk--I have enough sex with my husband---I don't care for lavish parties---and I'm more of a favor grantor than a reciever (I'm a giver by nature and not a very good receiver)!

I do get your point though.

  • 6 votes
#10.1 - Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:26 PM EST
BK Lim

FW, in 3rd world countries we call this "corruption". I do not know what 1st world countries call this. Socializing?

  • 7 votes
#10.2 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:56 PM EST
Danese

why is it called 3rd world countries. Is it a different world? Or a country that lives in a world of its own?

  • 7 votes
#10.3 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:10 PM EST
BK Lim

Good question Danese. 3rd world as in 3rd class like we are 2nd class citizens in a 3rd world country.

  • 7 votes
#10.4 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:04 PM EST
Danese

So let me get this clear. Are you saying that some people are treating you like second place? Because we all know that you are in 1st place. You are the intelligence of newsvine clearly. If that had a little smarts they could pick up on it. It's there for everbody to see, you can't deny it. We'lll just wait for the other 92% to get it. Spaz out yo!

  • 7 votes
#10.5 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:35 PM EST
fishwarrior

Hey we have that--'corruption'! We call it 'corruption' :) I think we are referred to as a 1st world something, but I beg to differ. I shouldn't be so naughty--I do enjoy rights here (at the moment) that many do not in many other countries.

So we call it 'socializing'---hmmm--sounds about right.

  • 7 votes
#10.6 - Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:50 PM EST
BK Lim

Danese, we are second class citizen in the country we were born into, not like in US. Malaysia is one of the few countries in the world where the majority is protected and privileged and the minority discriminated. It is understood that we can never be the Prime Minister or the Defence Minister. A first generation Arab or Pakistani or a foreign Muslim can be a Prime Minister with special rights while the aborigines or Chinese who had been in the country for more than 200 years are still considered immigrants and second class citizens. The minorities pay 90% of the taxes and yet the majority "Bumiputra" or Malay Rights entitled themselves to a compulsory 10-15% discount even if they are millionaires.

In your country it is call Racial Discrimination but in our country it is called "social uplifting" or "economic balancing". You have a good system, don't waste it.

  • 6 votes
#10.7 - Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:36 AM EST
Danese

no. it looks good from outside. check it out...

1st amendment is freedom of speech... why am i blanking words out like s__— b___. The laws contradict like a b___. Either we have a freedom of speech or not. It is the dumbest..

We have a right to bear arms...so why are people arrested for having guns..dum du dum dum dummmmm

  • 6 votes
#10.8 - Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:20 AM EST
BK Lim

Danese, we get the death sentence for possession of even a single bullet. We have heard stories where live bullets were planted in your car to get you convicted.

  • 6 votes
#10.9 - Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:22 AM EST
Danese

They say we have a right to bear arms but really we don't.

  • 5 votes
#10.10 - Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:33 PM EST
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fishwarrior

Danese, we get the death sentence for possession of even a single bullet. We have heard stories where live bullets were planted in your car to get you convicted

Wow---now that is very scary! Makes a person appreciate what we do have for sure. I remember traveling to Tunisia (Tunis) in like 1991 and thinking that while my hotel was pretty and on the Mediterranean---as soon as I stepped off the grounds, it was like stepping backward 2,000 yrs. I saw alot of poverty. I naively toured on foot the older parts of the city alone. I met and sat with this lovely woman who hand made a rug I purchased (beautiful). She showed me her goods from the sheared wool in its raw stages to the finished product. I really enjoyed this. Making phone calls home was my largest expense (very large). I was referred to as 'The American' as it would seem that these people have not seen one in some time! It was assumed I was English. Thankfullly I was able to recall enough French to interact with people along with english.

My point is---especially after reading about the young man with his Fruits/Veggie stand that burned himself to death---is that we do have it very good here in the USA--even with all of our nasty problems. I'm just not sure how much longer that will be the case. We as a country would have a very difficult time adapting if we were thrown into turmoil and given the same rules as countries like Tunisia or Malaysia.However, Danese has some valid points. It is just difficult to explain to anyone who has never had the same rights. And to have those rights eroded is very upsetting since we have only ever known them.

  • 6 votes
Reply#11 - Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:18 AM EST
BK Lim

Good Point FW.

Right now the stupid kangaroo court is trying to pin a Sodomy Charge on our Opp Leader.

http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=7812:sodomy-ii-where-the-2-biggest-casualties-are-truth-and-justice&Itemid=2

After the stupid Inquest, now there is the Royal Commission to determine the cause of death of one opp politician who was called questioning over a Rm2,000 plus bribery case. He was dead found dead on the fifth floor after falling from 14 floor under MACC (corruption agency) interrogation.

http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=7809:teoh-inquiry-six-fingerprint-marks-found-at-window&Itemid=2

We have hundreds of custodian deaths, people taken in for questioning (not yet charged) and turning up dead.

If this is not a police state, I do not know what is?

  • 8 votes
Reply#12 - Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:05 PM EST
BK Lim

By the way, we are the laughing stock of the world. While the world is struggling with real financial and industrial problems, we are playing footsies with Sodomy and mysterious custodian deaths.

  • 8 votes
#12.1 - Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:07 PM EST
fishwarrior

I can only reiterate that I am so very sorry for all of you:( This just breaks my heart so much and brings me to tears really, like the links that you gave on even children being killed. I wouldn't think that this is in any sort of way a laughing matter at all. I wonder why there is no hlep for a @!$%#ry like yours, yet there is oodles of help for those that do not want 'help'??? How absolutely horrid and this is just the sort of thing that people in our country will not experience, thus it makes someone like me appreciate more of what we have. While what we have is eroding, it is still better than what is happening (& apparently has been happening for a very long time)in your country. Again, I am so very sorry for All of you and pray that a miraccle comes to you and your country---sooner rather than later!

Be well BK.

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#12.2 - Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:43 PM EST
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